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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Star Trek V is awesome and I will stand by that. So is Into Darkness. The only legitimately bad Trek film is Nemesis.
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Insurrection was truly a awful film, Nemesis was worse though and should have been called Star Trek, we're just cashing checks here.
I wasn't a big fan of the next generation films, because outside of First Contact, it felt like they could never capture the formula that made the TV series work.
By the time Insurrection came around the movies were basically the Picard and Data vehicle, and the rest of the cast became uninteresting or looked like they couldn't care less.
In terms of Star Trek V, yeah it was a below average movie at best, and had the misfortune of coming before a awesome Star Trek VI, and coming after the Spock Trilogy (TWOK, TSFS and TVG). You look at the Star Trek Movies that worked they offered either a really good villain, or threat.
The Best
Star Trek 2 - Khan, there is no better villain then him, I just wish they wouldn't have tried to recreate him in NuTrek.
Star Trek 3 - Kruge, Christopher Lloyd was absolutely awesome and chewed up the scenery in that movie and made for a satisfying villain death in the end.
Star Trek 4 - Yeah a whale probe isn't a villain, I doubt it was actually trying to murder humanity. But it was a really well created threat without an easy solution.
Star Trek VI - Christopher Plumber was excellent as the Shakespeare spouting villain. But he wasn't really the villain, the antagonist was humanities darker nature and Plumber was a weapon.
Star Trek - Nero, you could understand his reasons, but not his actions. He was obsession and vengence personified and Eric Bana put in a really good and serious performance.
In the middle
Star Trek TMP - This was as close to Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek as it gets. Because of that it was dry, lacked action and was just bland. But there were some absolutely brilliant story beats in this one. As a opponent, I loved the concept of V'ger. A probe that left earth was damaged and repaired and made sentient and returned home looking for its creator to ask the question "Is this all that I am". There was no malice as it seemed impossible to V'ger that humans were his creator so he saw them as parasites harming its ability to connect with its god.
Star Trek First Contact - The Borg are one of the most terrifying villains in the Star Trek universe. They are literally a combination of that zombie fungus that takes over insects minds and locusts. While Alice Kreige was great as the Queen, I never did like the idea of individuals within the collective, and ones that at times seemed to be really petty and emotional.
Star Trek into Darkness - Khan, I wish they would have left Khan alone. While they picked a great actor to portray him, he didn't feel like Khan at all. While RM's Khan was passionate and fiery, and later on obsessed with vengeance. This Khan was more cool and dispassionate for the most part, and I just felt that he didn't feel like Khan.
The Bad
Star Trek V - Pulling Spock's half brother emotionally handicapped out of their butt seemed weird, a holographic fake god, and a really bad Klingon didn't ever let you believe that they were a threat to Kirk. The way they killed the God was uninspiring.
Star Trek Insurrection - Ru'afo was just plain bad, he was basically a fall guy who pretty much lost at every turn, and the corrupt Star Fleet Admiral was more annoying then menacing.
Star Trek Nemesis - Poor Tom Hardy, this movie almost wrecked his career. But Shinzon was just so poorly written, and Star Trek's first foray into making a evil character just to be evil. But then again that whole movie should be strikened from the record.
Star Trek Beyond - Another franchise killing movie. But Krall just wasn't a standout villain, he felt more like a back ground villain then anything else, he wasn't interesting or brilliant in anyway, and he had zero charisma.
