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Old 12-18-2022, 11:17 AM   #3421
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So are they going to hand out the trophy today?
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:19 AM   #3422
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I think the question is this the best final ever. Compare it to other WC finals, Euro, Champions league, etc. Aka a game that decided the champion. This has to be near the top but I assume there was a better Copa final at some point.
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:21 AM   #3423
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If it wasn't for the holiday season depression would kick in tomorrow.

Another 4 year wait for the greatest tournament
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:22 AM   #3424
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Well even in that discussion it has to be weighted by importance of final with WC at the top... a lot more people watch this than the Champions League.
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:23 AM   #3425
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I stopped watching at '75 because I was neglecting my parenting too much. So you're all welcome.

(I did tune back in at '85 when I saw the score on my phone.
I was about 2 minutes from doing the same when France scores their first.

My daughter has watched a lot of shows this AM...
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:23 AM   #3426
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It’s the stewardesses from Emirates.
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:24 AM   #3427
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You guys sound like neutral NHL fans who cheer for the Oilers because it would “be a shame” if McDavid didn’t get a Cup.
I have loved and admired the way Messi plays the game pretty much throughout his pro career. He's not only brilliant with the ball, but he's not a diver, he's not a complainer, he's not dirty, and he seems like a very decent guy. He's a model player in every way. I would have felt sad for him to finish his career without winning this.
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:25 AM   #3428
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Sorta glad the tournament was in the winter.

Better for me to have a month of doing nothing in this weather.
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The stakes. The quality of players. The drama. It all plays into what’s the greatest game ever.

World Cup Final
Mbappe vs Messi
Late equalizers, extra time drama, huge saves.

With all that considered It has to be in the conversation for the greatest game ever.

If that’s not in the conversation then I need a list of at least 5 games with as much drama, intrigue and quality as that one and huge stakes on the line.

I can’t think of a major tournament game in my lifetime. Italy - Germany in the 06 semi-final always stood out to me but I’m biased as an Italy fan (Italy-France 00 Euro Final was great too)
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Nothing like salty Croatian fans whining lol.
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Nothing like salty Croatian fans whining lol.
tf are you talking about?
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Now Macron is part of the presentation ceremony?
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Old 12-18-2022, 11:27 AM   #3433
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The stakes. The quality of players. The drama. It all plays into what’s the greatest game ever.

World Cup Final
Mbappe vs Messi
Late equalizers, extra time drama, huge saves.

With all that considered It has to be in the conversation for the greatest game ever.

If that’s not in the conversation then I need a list of at least 5 games with as much drama, intrigue and quality as that one and huge stakes on the line.

I can’t think of a major tournament game in my lifetime. Italy - Germany in the 06 semi-final always stood out to me but I’m biased as an Italy fan (Italy-France 00 Euro Final was great too)
Italy France final in 06 was drama filled as well.

This game was probably the best I've watched live.
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Sorta glad the tournament was in the winter.

Better for me to have a month of doing nothing in this weather.
I liked it too.

Better when it’s cold outside to justify watching soccer all day then when it’s +20 and summer is just starting.

Also felt like players being in mid-season form added to the quality of the tournament.
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What a great moment for Messi. I truly enjoy him and he seems like a nice guy too.
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One of the greatest World Cup Finals? Absolutely.

One of the greatest finals of all time? Debatable. 2005 in Istanbul comes to mind.

I have no love for the guy but Mbappe may have just had the best individual performance at any WC Final, dragging France’s bench squad to PKs against an in form Messi and full strength Argentina.
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Ya they do. But what does that have to do with a mid table game in the EPL? Pointing out there there have been thousands of boring meaningless games doesn’t prove your point.
Name the game then. The greatest game of all time should be easily well known to people who pay attention. So what game did you find better
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For two careers that have paralled for so long Messi's and Ronaldo's sure have diverged dramatically in the last month.

One a WC winner and player of the tournament. The other dropped by his country. Sacked by his club and basically unwanted.
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One of the greatest World Cup Finals? Absolutely.

One of the greatest finals of all time? Debatable. 2005 in Istanbul comes to mind.

I have no love for the guy but Mbappe may have just had the best individual performance at any WC Final, dragging France’s bench squad to PKs against an in form Messi and full strength Argentina.
It’s close.

But I think this takes the edge. The comeback was just as good by France.

The stage was bigger (World Cup > Champions League).

And the stars were bigger IMO, there was no Messi or Mbappe like performance in that game (calm down Liverpool fans, Gerrard’s not on that level, and I say that as somebody who thinks Maldini is the greatest defender ever too)

To score in the 80 and 81st to tie it and then again in the 118 is crazy drama.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...-ever.amp.html

This is just one list but I have a hard time not putting it in the top 5 of these lists.

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