Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Again, its not like the existing laws are exactly lose.
You need to take training.
Register your weapon.
Store and transport you weapon as defined by law.

I think that this is a classic example of how Canadians conflate American laws and customs with Canadian ones.
No one here is arguing for less strict laws. No one wants what the USA has. We just what was already in place.

I'm not arguing for or against any laws. I am questioning the basic requirement/ desire for 99.9999% of people to possess a firearm. IMO there's not a requirement and it can all be boiled down to varying degrees of desire.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm not arguing for or against any laws. I am questioning the basic requirement/ desire for 99.9999% of people to possess a firearm. IMO there's not a requirement and it can all be boiled down to varying degrees of desire.

Is that not a valid reason if they are used responsibly and lawfully?

There are countless things we possess and/or use through varying degrees of desire. Some of them can even do great harm to ourselves and others if mis-used.

I mean, I disagree with your conclusion and am not really seeing your argument supporting it, either.

[calculoso]

Hmmm… government transfers accounts for about 0.45% of rise of inflation since end of 2019. Who knew…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1600565184355258368

https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/abo...r-5--2022.html

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Hmmm… government transfers accounts for about 0.45% of rise of inflation since end of 2019. Who knew…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1600565184355258368

https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/abo...r-5--2022.html

Not printing money? Who knew.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Not printing money? Who knew.

I agree that the printing of the money through COVID struck me as excessive but, a few points;

1. The Conservatives were 100% behind it and borderline pushing for more in various circumstances... maybe in just different ways slightly. This implies that across the political spectrum that we should care about (the broad centre), it was a political decision / issue that Canadians were pretty much largely united on.

2. If the Government did not print massive amounts of money to support small businesses, the effect of so many companies / individuals and people across the country with literally no money due to Government imposed restrictions would have been absolutely disastrous. What would the effect have been without printing any money? Far worse for sure, as homelessness, drug abuse, poverty, crime, etc. would have all sky rocketed. I am assuming you agree with this point and so really this becomes a debate as to the extent of the money printing.

3. Clearly, not only evidenced by the study but just generally speaking unless you have been under a rock for 1.5 years, global impacts are all impacting inflation. Canada is intimately connected to markets for every product on earth and there was literally no getting around this so the point of the study to argue that global factors played the lion's share of role in inflation is fair and valid.

4. Justin Trudeau is an idiot and there is so much to criticize him for. He is a pandering ghost of a man whose almost entire tenure as leader has been to worry first about how something looks or may be viewed and then somewhere down the list care about whether or not such action will work or is even a good idea. Because there are so many valid and good criticisms of this moron, inflation is the wrong one to pick up on because looking back, they actually didn't do too bad a job on managing some pieces of the economy during Covid and secondly I am HIGHLY suspect the Conservatives if push came to shove would have done anything different anyway, and that's a good thing too.

5. I do think the Canadian government needs to get super aggressive on all mechanisms it can control to tame inflation and you're right, that means really shore up spending and stop printing money now that we are theoretically through the tough part of Covid. I do not think Trudeau knows how to do anything but spend money because he likes to feel liked and spending money on people is easy and gets them to like you even if it's not the best political or long-term decision for Canada.

[Yamer]

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yamer

You just need 2stonedbirds or bolevi for the hattrick.

[2Stonedbirds]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ents-1.6676806

[Ozy_Flame]

Man, gun owners get entirely too much attention these days. There are such bigger problems in this country.

I don't care about guns, if people really want to own them then fine, do it responsibly, but I see no value in them and why anyone would want them is beyond me. I just want this crap to be out of the news cycle. Christ.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Man, gun owners get entirely too much attention these days. There are such bigger problems in this country.

I don't care about guns, if people really want to own them then fine, do it responsibly, but I see no value in them and why anyone would want them is beyond me. I just want this crap to be out of the news cycle. Christ.

Welcome to the world of those that have had to listen to the never ending complaints on health care system.

[Northendzone]

so from what i gather there is currently some type of climate related conference in montreal right now and over the past few days the liberals' have made two spending announcements:

. $350 million for added support of conservation projects around the world
. $800 million for indigenous lead projects in canada

the money never stops flowing out.

must the quite the rush sitting in the PM's office and discussing the week ahead and the upcoming announcements of more cash being spent

have a nice day folks

[Azure]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Hmmm… government transfers accounts for about 0.45% of rise of inflation since end of 2019. Who knew…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1600565184355258368

https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/abo...r-5--2022.html

If this is true, repeated interest rate increases are not the solution to combat inflation.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Man, gun owners get entirely too much attention these days. There are such bigger problems in this country.

I don't care about guns, if people really want to own them then fine, do it responsibly, but I see no value in them and why anyone would want them is beyond me. I just want this crap to be out of the news cycle. Christ.

You do realize that the Liberals are the ones making it a big deal?

I mean that is why this is an issue, why it is in the news.

Are you suggesting that despite overreaching legislation being pushed through by the government that the people affected by this legislation should instead just shut up and accept it?

And the reason for this is because "whine, cry, sob what I think is important doesn't get enough attention."

lol.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

If this is true, repeated interest rate increases are not the solution to combat inflation.

That is actually a significant issue that the BoC has to grapple with. They can boost rates and it will take down demand for things like housing (which is pretty easy to understand). Does a rate increase help with energy prices that are priced globally and trade in USD? Does a rate increase help deal with supply-chain related issues that have also pushed up inflation?

This gets pretty murky. Theoretically, a rate increase decreases demand and as a result should help bring down these prices. Of course, this means the US rate increases are more of a factor though because their economy is a much larger demand driver.

As usual, making these decisions for the BoC is extremely complicated and unenviable. Despite what Pierre Polievre and his ilk would suggest, the BoC has done pretty well in my view and it's a difficult position to be in.

[Ozy_Flame]

I don't give a ####. Libs, gun owners, right-wing freedom chuds. They're all to blame and all to ignore.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Hmmm… government transfers accounts for about 0.45% of rise of inflation since end of 2019. Who knew…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1600565184355258368

https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/abo...r-5--2022.html

Originally Posted by Yoho

Not printing money? Who knew.

Experts/Economists: We have come to the conclusion that Government transfers ("Printing money") is not the major cause of inflation.

Yoho: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was though...

I'm convinced.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Just look at who is liking your posts lol.

I didn't say farmers should go spear hunt apex predators. That's not what farmers did in the 1600s. They had wolfdogs and donkeys and other such creatures that will stomp the #### out of coyotes dumb enough to stalk into their turf.

I also like the undercurrent accusations of base fear of firearms because of media. I lived outside of Detroit- I don't need to fear firearm death here the same way. That doesn't change my overall point: Owning a firearm is largely a vanity issue. Perhaps there's even some fear and safety in owning one. If you're willing to prioritize your personal enjoyment of a novelty over larger societal well being, fine. But don't pretend to portray your desire as a necessity.

Having grown up on a ranch, I can tell you that our guns were used primarily as tools and secondarily as entertainment (target practice). The comment about predators and rodents is absolutely true. We had multiple sections of pasture land for cattle and wouldn't have been able to appropriately distribute our wolfdogs and donkeys to be effective. Poison was an option, but was also a risk to other wildlife so typically not used.

We also butchered our own beef and, although I supposed we could've clubbed the animal to death or strung it up live and slit its throat, a bullet to the brain was far more effective.

This post isn't for or against any augmented gun control. It is merely to support the notion that guns on farms and ranches are not exclusively owned for vanity or enjoyment. I'd also like to point out that referencing methods used in farming in the 1600s does not support any application to farming today. It is as relevant an analogy as the spear-hunting.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Experts/Economists: We have come to the conclusion that Government transfers ("Printing money") is not the major cause of inflation.

Yoho: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was though...

I'm convinced.

I'm far from knowledgeable on this stuff but the subsequent points in the report, which were excluded from that tweet, are probably pretty important and significant:

c. The welcome, but likely exaggerated, fiscal support provided by the Federal government in response to the pandemic: the Canada Emergency Response Benefit, the Canada Recovery Benefit, the Canada Wage Subsidy, and the Canada Rent Relief Program had a major impact on the output gap. We estimate that these programs raised the output gap by about 1.3 percentage points, implying that the excess demand we see now in Canada would not be present without these supports.

d. While the impact of these programs on the output gap is large, the empirical impact of the output gap on inflation is modest, leading us to estimate that government transfers account for around 0.45 percentage points of the rise in inflation we have observed since the end of 2019.

e. While 0.45% is small given the size of the other factors driving inflation, it still necessitates a substantial monetary response. We estimate that up to 125bps of the total rise of 400bps that we currently expect (from 0.25% at the start of the tightening phase to our expected endpoint of 4.25%) is in response to pandemic support measures.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Having grown up on a ranch, I can tell you that our guns were used primarily as tools and secondarily as entertainment (target practice). The comment about predators and rodents is absolutely true. We had multiple sections of pasture land for cattle and wouldn't have been able to appropriately distribute our wolfdogs and donkeys to be effective. Poison was an option, but was also a risk to other wildlife so typically not used.

We also butchered our own beef and, although I supposed we could've clubbed the animal to death or strung it up live and slit its throat, a bullet to the brain was far more effective.

This post isn't for or against any augmented gun control. It is merely to support the notion that guns on farms and ranches are not exclusively owned for vanity or enjoyment. I'd also like to point out that referencing methods used in farming in the 1600s does not support any application to farming today. It is as relevant an analogy as the spear-hunting.

I respect and accept this anecdote as evidence of guns as tool use on farms. I posit that there are other tools that could potentially be used to similar effect that don't pose the same level of societal harm that mass firearm ownership does.
I also take your reference to farming methods having developed, and didn't intend to make it seem like all farmers have not changed tactics since 1600s.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

That is actually a significant issue that the BoC has to grapple with. They can boost rates and it will take down demand for things like housing (which is pretty easy to understand). Does a rate increase help with energy prices that are priced globally and trade in USD? Does a rate increase help deal with supply-chain related issues that have also pushed up inflation?

This gets pretty murky. Theoretically, a rate increase decreases demand and as a result should help bring down these prices. Of course, this means the US rate increases are more of a factor though because their economy is a much larger demand driver.

As usual, making these decisions for the BoC is extremely complicated and unenviable. Despite what Pierre Polievre and his ilk would suggest, the BoC has done pretty well in my view and it's a difficult position to be in.

Why is it murky? If outside influences are a major driver with inflation, then what the BoC has done (repeated & quick interest rate increases), are not going to necessarily lower inflation.

I'm not saying their job is easy. I'm just saying that if there is any truth to this report, then the BoC is WAY to hasty with the rate increases.