Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I was just trying to emphasize the point that if the Flames traded every player approaching UFA status, they would go nowhere. I don’t think the Flames should trade Lindholm now, or anytime soon, if ever.

The Flames and Gaudreau have had a good relationship. Otherwise, I bet, he would have been dealt by now. I think the Flames showing the loyalty and trust they have is a very important factor in all of this.

I understand but when you mentioned Lindholm I assumed you thought he was entering the last year of his deal but luckily still 2 years left on that beauty.

[atb]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames are not heading into a rebuild this summer if they lose Gaudreau. Potentially next year once Sutter's deal expires, but there is no way the pull the trigger now. If Gaudreau moves on, the Flames will fill holes via UFA and trades, and see how the season turns out. If there is a rebuild on the horizon, the earliest it happens is TD 2023.

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Yeah, in reality I know that's the case, but man if Tkachuk signs 1 year and walks, losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuk for nothing is pain. You're also looking at potentially trading Lindholm and Hanifin with 1 year left each. Really wish Sutter had a chance to work longer with this group before getting to this point.

[dino7c]

I don't know what Gaudreau will do

I am willing to bet everything I own that Tkachuk doesn't walk for nothing in a year...he is signing long term or getting traded

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Originally Posted by TOfan

I was just trying to emphasize the point that if the Flames traded every player approaching UFA status, they would go nowhere.

The cutthroat approach that would maximize most players' value would be to trade every player at their prime as their current deals expire. At least as far as your top players go. The problem with that is you're always ~kind of~ in a rebuild until you get the right combination of young players that click, and happen to have lucked out with the bottom half of your roster guys that are on cheaper deals mostly being slam dunks.

Where this loses appeal is mostly with the fanbase. If you never have a "face of the franchise", it's likely harder to sell your team to your fans. Though all of the above said nobody's really gone all-in on this type of approach, or the GM gets canned before it can pan out.

In other words - If Johnny doesn't sign with the Flames, the consensus is going to be that he should have been traded so that we at least had a return. And really it's hard to argue that if that's the route this goes.

Same thing was discussed ad nauseum when they waited too long to trade Iggy.

Hopefully he signs and we continue to build around him and none of the above matters.

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't know what Gaudreau will do

I am willing to bet everything I own that Tkachuk doesn't walk for nothing in a year...he is signing long term or getting traded

My guess is they just sign him to the QO this year, and if he's looking good in the fall they sort out an extension, if he's looking bad or disinterested or frustrated then they trade him before Christmas.

[dammage79]

I just don't see how the Flames, if Gaudreau walks, sign Chucky to a one year QO deal and consequently let him walk next year. It'd be the dumbest asset management in the history of the Flames.


I side with those who say he signs long term or is dealt.

Conversely, if the Flames sign Gaudreau, I think chucky gets traded as well.

There's a myriad of scenarios that can play out this off season given the importance of the players needing contracts up and down the roster.


Pair that with a fairly tepid FA group, the Flames plan in the offseason can get off the rails in a hurry.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I understand but when you mentioned Lindholm I assumed you thought he was entering the last year of his deal but luckily still 2 years left on that beauty.

The correlation I was trying to make is that plenty of people were saying the flames should trade Gaudreau when he had two years left Because he could hardly wait to go home. Granted, that also had to do with trading him before his MNTC kicked in.

In any event, I don’t think the Flames should be scared to enter a season with pending UFA’s. it’s simply the cost of doing business. Every team deals with their best, or significant, players hitting the market.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Icon

My guess is they just sign him to the QO this year, and if he's looking good in the fall they sort out an extension, if he's looking bad or disinterested or frustrated then they trade him before Christmas.

Tkachuk won't sign his qualifying offer.

He'll want more than $9.5 million and he'll surely opt to go to arbitration if he isn't signed before then.

Curious where the consensus has Gaudreau and Tkachuk coming in for AAV?

I could see Johnny somewhere in the 10s on an 8 year deal.
I think Tkachuk won't sign a long term deal unless it starts with an 11.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Tkachuk won't sign his qualifying offer.

He'll want more than $9.5 million and he'll surely opt to go to arbitration if he isn't signed before then.

Curious where the consensus has Gaudreau and Tkachuk coming in for AAV?

I could see Johnny somewhere in the 10s on an 8 year deal.
I think Tkachuk won't sign a long term deal unless it starts with an 11.

$88M each doesn’t seem crazy to me.

[dammage79]

Gaudreau?
If he signs in CGY: 7x 9.4

Elsewhere 7x 10.2

Tkachuk:
With CGY 6x8.8
Elsewhere after trade: 7x 9.2

This guesswork was done by picking up a handful of darts and throwing them at the wall.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You have absolutely no idea whether or not Johnny would have ever signed an extension in the last year, don't pretend you do know. You don't. Full stop.



Also, there was no way for Treliving to ever force Gaudreau to sign an extension in the last year.



Johnny's plan may have always been to go UFA and see what happens, and that is not in any way Trelivings fault. It's just the way it is.

If the gm knew Johnny was wanting to test free agency then he should have dealt him and got whatever he could. You could still be in the bidding for him this summer. Yes, the team would have been worse this past season but you'd have some assets and the cap space to try to be better this coming season. If he walks now you have nothing but the cap space and wasted a year of whatever the new team could have looked like.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TapeToTape

I don't consider myself to be lazy.

Most athletes do choose to sign for less than the maximum that they could command. Every year potential UFAs extend with their current team instead of going to market. It is just a matter of degrees.

Maybe lazy is the wrong word. It’s more like comfortable.
I am so comfortable with my job that it’s unlikely I would be looking for a new job even I know that I may make more.

But if someone come and offer me the same job with more money and I know I can handle it then I would not mind moving. That’s the situation with Gaudreau right now

[blender]

I can't believe that we are coming off of the 2nd best regular season in team history and first trip to the second round in 7 years and there are people here saying they should have traded our best players prior to this season.
What kind of fan wants that?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by atb

Yeah, in reality I know that's the case, but man if Tkachuk signs 1 year and walks, losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuk for nothing is pain.

And some posters will be like it's not Tre's fault, what could he have done?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And some posters will could be like it's not Tre's fault, what could he have done?

Still think it gets done like you my friend

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by chedder

If the gm knew Johnny was wanting to test free agency then he should have dealt him and got whatever he could. You could still be in the bidding for him this summer. Yes, the team would have been worse this past season but you'd have some assets and the cap space to try to be better this coming season. If he walks now you have nothing but the cap space and wasted a year of whatever the new team could have looked like.

That would be dumb, because wanting to test the marketplace is not remotely the same as not having any intention of re-signing. The Flames are better with Gaudreau—full stop. The right decision was and is to try to get him under contract long term.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And some posters will be like it's not Tre's fault, what could he have done?

"Fault" is the wrong word. If Gaudreau signs elsewhere, then it is nobody's fault.

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[Heavy Jack]

8 x 10.25 (Gaudreau)

6 x 9.75 (Chucky)

My best guesses, I really would love to see 5 more years of this core, lock em up!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Fault" is the wrong word. If Gaudreau signs elsewhere, then it is nobody's fault.

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If Gaudreau signs elsewhere and the Flames get nothing that is BT's fault.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Tkachuk won't sign his qualifying offer.

He'll want more than $9.5 million and he'll surely opt to go to arbitration if he isn't signed before then.

Curious where the consensus has Gaudreau and Tkachuk coming in for AAV?

I could see Johnny somewhere in the 10s on an 8 year deal.
I think Tkachuk won't sign a long term deal unless it starts with an 11.

Johnny 10.5 x 8
Tkachuk 10 x 6