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Old 10-14-2015, 09:32 AM   #3421
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Carefully vetting articles for things like facts and partisanship biases doesn't support the narrative that a vocal minority on this board is trying to sell.
I am confused, are you stating that the liberal supporters are the vocal minority?

This thread shows the Liberals at 50%, Cons at 42% (small quantity of votes, it can change quick)

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=149701

If the most recent finished poll of this site is believed, liberal supports are the vocal majority on this form at 54%:

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Poll #1 (9/25 - 10/2)

203 respondents

LIB 47.29%
CPC 38.42%
NDP 8.37%
GRN 3.45%
Other 2.46%

Poll #2 (10/5 - 10/12)

232 respondents

LIB 54.31%
CPC 39.22%
NDP 2.59%
GRN 3.45%
Other 0.43%
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Old 10-14-2015, 09:32 AM   #3422
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This is part of Trudeau's pitch to Joe Clark conservatives:



I wonder if the long term plan is to enact ranked ballots, which would encourage a return of the PCs, and potentially squeeze out the ReformCs to the fringe again.
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I mean can you even imagine...free drugs, safe injections sites, brothels. Harper is seriously concerned for Canadians.

"Justin [Trudeau] refuses to acknowledge the damage that drugs do to families and communities," Harper, referring to the Liberal leader, said in a written statement from his office.

"He wants to allow the sale of marijuana in corner stores and increase the number of heroin injection sites, dangerously misguided policies that would only make drugs more accessible to our children."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...jabi-1.3268011
They're melting down so hard they are in danger of handing the Liberals a majority. They should give this up, instead they appear to be doubling down. Overall a pretty disastrous campaign for the CPC.
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Old 10-14-2015, 09:42 AM   #3424
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Do the Conservatives have anything that can change the momentum? Harper's been doing his Price is Right routine about how much money Trudeau is going to cost Canadian but doesn't really appear to be sticking. The print ads and mail-outs are going into crazy town with the fear tactics which I doubt will work with anyone beyond their base.

Do they have a move that can win them support or they are left hoping for a Trudeau screw up?
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Do the Conservatives have anything that can change the momentum? Harper's been doing his Price is Right routine about how much money Trudeau is going to cost Canadian but doesn't really appear to be sticking. The print ads and mail-outs are going into crazy town with the fear tactics which I doubt will work with anyone beyond their base.

Do they have a move that can win them support or they are left hoping for a Trudeau screw up?
To be honest, the campaigning part of this election is really over tomorrow. Given the length of the campaign, I think people have already made their minds up. Once Thursday is done people are going to shut down and wait for Monday to roll around. It would take something epically dramatic to shift the tides of this election after Thursday and break the news cycle.

The only wild cards right now are the "Anti-Harper" voters and soft NDP'ers and whether or not they're going to switch to the Liberals to stop Harper.
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This is my favourite part of the campaign to be truthful. Once the parties start putting out the "tanks in the streets" kinds of ads, it just becomes hilarious. How stupid do they actually think that voters are these days?
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Old 10-14-2015, 10:06 AM   #3427
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[I]"Justin [Trudeau] refuses to acknowledge the damage that drugs do to families and communities,"
He's not wrong about this. Drugs do damage to families and communities, although usually this is not said in reference to pot but harder drugs.

Marijuana has negative impact on children's minds.. this is true.

I am very much hoping that legalizing it will actually reduce the amount it gets into children's hands, but I very much doubt it. High schools are full of it and other drugs already, and nobody seems to care. Legalizing it will hopefully raise the price just enough so that its availability decreases... but I think that is a pipe dream...
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This is part of Trudeau's pitch to Joe Clark conservatives:



I wonder if the long term plan is to enact ranked ballots, which would encourage a return of the PCs, and potentially squeeze out the ReformCs to the fringe again.

I believe that is their plan. In the short term it can be seen as a cynical approach to reform since the Liberals would be the clear beneficiaries, being most people's first or second choice. But it's hard to argue with the idea of forcing parties to appeal to a wide group of voters rather than micro targeting base + 10% like the Conservatives have been doing.
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Liberals want to implement for economic and harm reducing strategies for dealing with marijuana.

Conservative translation: Trudeau wants to make sure that your kids are smoking pot!


Liberals want to implement laws and safety nets that would better protect sex trade workers and get them help they need.

Conservative translation: Trudeau wants to put brothels in you neighbourhood!


Liberals want to focus the government energy and resources to help refugees and ease the humanitarian crisis in and around Syria.

Conservative translation: Trudeau wants to give winter jackets to ISIS terrorists!
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So Justin wants to get rid of UCCB, income splitting and the increased TSFA limits? Ouch, that's three things that hurt me directly. I thought I was middle class, and Justin's saying he wants to help the middle class, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he's trying to help me.
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I mean can you even imagine...free drugs, safe injections sites, brothels. Harper is seriously concerned for Canadians.

"Justin [Trudeau] refuses to acknowledge the damage that drugs do to families and communities," Harper, referring to the Liberal leader, said in a written statement from his office.

"He wants to allow the sale of marijuana in corner stores and increase the number of heroin injection sites, dangerously misguided policies that would only make drugs more accessible to our children."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...jabi-1.3268011
There are tanks...in the streets...in Canada.

Wow, not looking pretty at this angle. Just listened to qr77 where they ridiculed this.

Anyway, I am a political nerd, but I think I'm getting to the stage of let's get this over with.
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So Justin wants to get rid of UCCB, income splitting and the increased TSFA limits? Ouch, that's three things that hurt me directly. I thought I was middle class, and Justin's saying he wants to help the middle class, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he's trying to help me.
LIAR!
You are clearly a top 1%er, otherwise you would not take advantage of any of these things aimed only at the most wealthy, and at the expense of real hard working middle class Canadians.
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So Justin wants to get rid of UCCB, income splitting and the increased TSFA limits? Ouch, that's three things that hurt me directly. I thought I was middle class, and Justin's saying he wants to help the middle class, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he's trying to help me.
How is the middle class defined in Canada? I read something today that suggested it was individual income between $50,000/year and $500,000/year.

A lot of "middle class" families don't make enough money to worry about TFSAs because they have nothing to put in them, and because both parents work up to (but not over" the $50 floor, the income splitting doesn't do anything for them either.
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Old 10-14-2015, 10:30 AM   #3434
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Buh Bye Harper. Not sad to see you go, even though I believe the CPC's fiscal policies far exceed the Liberals' fiscal policies.

(i.e. my ideal scenario is a CPC minority with a leadership change).
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How is the middle class defined in Canada? I read something today that suggested it was individual income between $50,000/year and $500,000/year.

A lot of "middle class" families don't make enough money to worry about TFSAs because they have nothing to put in them, and because both parents work up to (but not over" the $50 floor, the income splitting doesn't do anything for them either.
Then these families also have virtually no tax saving in the LPC tax relief for the 'middle class' plan, as it only starts to kick in on income over $45k.
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Old 10-14-2015, 10:33 AM   #3436
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You did read down further as well, though, where the Liberal candidate himself was asked to leave the same polling area two days earlier?
So everyone is cheating, i guess?
the liberal candidate was there not soliciting votes and invited to a function that had nothing to do with the election.

the pc guy was there harassing voters to support his party in a wagon with a giant conservative sign. (per the article, nice that you left that out tho)

i guess trying to draw a false equivalence and make this a tie is the best conservatives can do
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the liberal candidate was there not soliciting votes and invited to a function that had nothing to do with the election.

the pc guy was there harassing voters to support his party in a wagon with a giant conservative sign. (per the article, nice that you left that out tho)

i guess trying to draw a false equivalence and make this a tie is the best conservatives can do
That is the conservative mantra.

A tie is a win as long as it has obfuscated the means towards progress.

It wasn't always the hallmark of conservatism, but it sure is now.
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Why even waste your time campaigning outside of a polling station?

Would it not be fair to say that the vast majority of people have made up their minds before showing up at a poll? Particularly an early voter poll?
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So Justin wants to get rid of UCCB, income splitting and the increased TSFA limits? Ouch, that's three things that hurt me directly. I thought I was middle class, and Justin's saying he wants to help the middle class, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he's trying to help me.

According to them they are replacing UCCB with something better, unless you are in a higher tax bracket. Also keep in mind that under Harper's plan most of the UCCB would be taxed back since he eliminated the child deduction.
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Why even waste your time campaigning outside of a polling station?

Would it not be fair to say that the vast majority of people have made up their minds before showing up at a poll? Particularly an early voter poll?
Intimidation.
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