2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I feel like people have been saying for the past 5-6 years that Chicago is in cap hell but yet they always seem to come out of it as contenders.. what has changed this time around?

A few things:

1) After the 2010 cap hell, Toews and Kane made 6.5m each, or 21.9% of the total cap of 59.4m which was fair for both sides. If the cap is 71m next year, their 10m each will account for 28% of the total cap. That's comparable to Crosby/Malkin cap hits but I don't think the production is comparable as Kane is still just a winger and Toews is no Crosby.

2) In 2010 they identified guys who performed great for them, but weren't core pieces, and let them go. Byfuglien, Niemi, and Ladd were the main ones. OTOH, in more recent years, they've anchored themselves down with Crawford and Bickell taking a further 14% of the cap. The 2013 Hawks team had Crawford with a Ramo-esque 2.67m cap hit and Bickell with a vets minimum deal. So in 2010, they avoided too many tough-to-deal with contracts, but after 2013 they handed out quite a few bad ones. He;;, they'd even have Bollig making 1.2m if we didn't bail them out and give up a 3rd rounder in the process.

3) the 2011 and 2012 Hawks teams lost in the first round, don't forget. They had to do a minor rebuild to get back to the top, and Saad was one of the keypieces that put them over the top. His ELC ran between 2013,2014,2015.

4) Sharp has declined by age 33. Even this year he wasn't a 5.9 million dollar forward.

Can they figure it out? Maybe, though preferably no one bails them out. They'll have to find takers for some of those anchors (Crawford, Sharp, Bickell) which isn't something they had to deal with after their cup wins in 2010 (when instead they could move RFAs for picks/prospects and aggressively restocked the shelves with Shaw, Saad, Leddy etc) and 2013 (which is when they handed out some of these anchors in the first place. I don't mind the Blackhawks declining one bit while the Flames window opens up.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Yup, they better hope Hossa doesn't retire anytime soon (traded or not) or they will really be screwed.

If he wants to retire, can they just buy him out to get around the recapture penalties?

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Sorry. Two conversations at once.

To be clear, the post in response to you had significantly trimmed already signed players and not re-signing anyone else. In this scenario Sharp, Versteeg, Raanta and Darling aren't included.

The $14M in cap space I discussed was in response to the post about trading just Sharp and Bickell. That leaves $14M in space, but that doesn't include Kruger or Saad.

This was infinitely easier with Cap Geek

http://www.capfriendly.com/ is the closest i have found to capgeek

[VladtheImpaler]

Also, keep in mind that, much like Detroit a few years ago, Chicago will get a discount because of the winning, and because it's Chicago and not Winnipeg...
I think they will fill in the holes just fine. The #4 and #5 d-men will be the key spots.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

If he wants to retire, can they just buy him out to get around the recapture penalties?

From what I can recall, the cap hits of a regular buyout and recapture penalties are pretty similar. Maybe even preferable not to do a buyout as it has longer term cap implications.

Will run the calculations later.

[dammage79]

TFP is saying both Kostytsin brothers are NA bound.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 3m3 minutes ago
That should've read "has already left AK Bars Kazan"... Anyway, Sergei Kostitsyn's returning to the NHL. His brother, Andrei, is likely too

Sergei is the punk brat, surprised he got another NHL deal.
We knew and have heard already Andrei is on his way from a month ago-ish.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

From what I can recall, the cap hits of a regular buyout and recapture penalties are pretty similar. Maybe even preferable not to do a buyout as it has longer term cap implications.

Will run the calculations later.

Can't computers mutitask?

[Fire]

Sharp and Crawford both have a NMC according to http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/chicago-blackhawks. If I was either of them I would refuse a trade. Why leave a team and city like Chicago if you don't have to?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Fire

Sharp and Crawford both have a NMC according to http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/chicago-blackhawks. If I was either of them I would refuse a trade. Why leave a team and city like Chicago if you don't have to?

According to Friedman, Sharp has to give a list of 10 teams he is willing to accept a trade to within 48 hours of the Blackhawks asking him for it.

While that site says they have NMC, it also lists them as both having limited NTC, meaning both likely have to provide lists. The NMC is likely there only to prevent them from getting waived.

[sureLoss]

Here are the caphit scenarios for buyout and recapture for Hossa in 2016, 2017, and 2018. (spoilered for size)

Really does not make sense for the Hawks to buyout to prevent recapture in those years

Spoiler!

As bad as it sounds, the best case scenario for the Hawks cap situation would be for Hossa to have an injury that would enable them to put Hossa on LTIR for the remainder of his contract ala Pronger and Savard for the Flyers and Bruins, respectively.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Here are the caphit scenarios for buyout and recapture for Hossa in 2016, 2017, and 2018. (spoilered for size)

Really does not make sense for the Hawks to buyout to prevent recapture in those years

Spoiler!

As bad as it sounds, the best case scenario for the Hawks cap situation would be for Hossa to have an injury that would enable them to put Hossa on LTIR for the remainder of his contract ala Pronger and Savard for the Flyers and Bruins, respectively.

Why does recapture go up the later he retires? I thought it was cap hit saved which should decrease as the contract ages

[Knut]

Hossa Is a good enough player that I can see him playing effectively as a 3rd liner for years after his offense starts to dry up. Would not surprise me to see him play out his contract.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Hossa Is a good enough player that I can see him playing effectively as a 3rd liner for years after his offense starts to dry up. Would not surprise me to see him play out his contract.

In Chicago?

All this talk about Sharp makes me wonder why Hossa hasn't been mentioned in equal breath as a candidate for a cap dump. Does he have a full NMC/NTC?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why does recapture go up the later he retires? I thought it was cap hit saved which should decrease as the contract ages

The total benefit the team received in years when his salary was higher than his cap hit is divided evenly over the remaining years of his contract. At least that's how I remember it.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

In Chicago?

All this talk about Sharp makes me wonder why Hossa hasn't been mentioned in equal breath as a candidate for a cap dump. Does he have a full NMC/NTC?

He basically has to stay due to Cap recapture rules.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

In Chicago?

All this talk about Sharp makes me wonder why Hossa hasn't been mentioned in equal breath as a candidate for a cap dump. Does he have a full NMC/NTC?

Hossa is probably more important than even Seabrook. He's such a versatile player. Waaaaay more than Sharp

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Hossa is a fantastic two-way player, much better than Sharp. He's one of the more underrated players in the league. I guess the question is would you rather keep Hossa and keep your team stronger, or try to trade him and perhaps get more back in a deal and make your team a little worse than keep Sharp? I'd keep Hossa, he looks like he can play for years still effectively.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Sharp would be cheaper because of his high cap hit and 2 years left on his contract. For Hossa, as others have mentioned, would be much harder to go after because he will still be effective regardless of age, has a contract that would be best staying with Chicago, and he would cost more than Sharp.

[dammage79]

Steinberg and Kerr are debating who are the "Assets" in terms of the on the cusp players on the Flames and who isn't on the table. Steinberg seems to think the likes of Ortio, Klimchuk, Smith, Ferland, Granlund and Poirier should all be available for trade negotiations.

His logic is not everyone will play for the Flames and you need some of them to help a trade along.

Personally, I feel Steinberg is painting too broad a picture in terms of the players the Flames would potentially deem assets.

Ortio at the very least gets next season to prove himself before that conversation pops up.

Ferland and Smith shouldn't really be available just yet, the Flames don't have anyone else in the system quite like them.

Granlund could be an asset, I hate the idea but I get it. Klimchuk and Poirier? Coin flip, one of them maybe.

Steinberg thinks these are the core guys that aren't tradeable: Gio, Bennett, Monny, Brodie and Gaudreau.

EDIT: Francis apparently think pick #15 is available for trade for a Goalie? Nope, no way. Not this year at least.

[dammage79]

Nm.