2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's sounds great, but it isn't likely:
Keith $5.5M
Seabrook $5.8M
Hjalmarsson $4.1M
Toews $10.5M
Kane $10.5M
Hossa $5.25
Saad $4M
Shaw $2M
Kruger $3M
TT $1M
Crawford $6M

That's $57.7M for 11 players. That leaves 13M for 3 defensemen, 5 forwards and a back up. That's not enough

On defense, Van Riemsdyk could be the #6 at 925 k. Raanta is signed at 750 K. So that leaves 2 defenseman, and 5 forwards for 11.3 M. I think they will re-sign Desjardins for 1.5 M or so. So 2 defenseman (a #4 and #5) and 4 forwards (a couple bottom 6 forwards) for around 10 M. It's doable.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

On defense, Van Riemsdyk could be the #6 at 925 k. Raanta is signed at 750 K. So that leaves 2 defenseman, and 5 forwards for 11.3 M. I think they will re-sign Desjardins for 1.5 M or so. So 2 defenseman (a #4 and #5) and 4 forwards (a couple bottom 6 forwards) for around 10 M. It's doable.

Doable maybe, but they'll be significantly worse as a team. In that 11.3 they need to re-sign Saad and Kruger. That is likely at least $7M right there. That's now $4.3M for a #4 and #5 defenseman and 4 bottom six forwards

[GreenLantern]

And one would also assume in the Sharp deal they get back a younger NHL ready forward on the cheap, so that fills another slot. And in Chicago playing with those guys he will no doubt produce.

[Knut]

One of Pokka (925) Palliota (925) or Johns (800) will likely make the team. Or they can run with two of them.

Joakim nordstrom RFA would be a cheap 4th liner. Could even try and entice St. Louis (pending UfA) or that type to come in on a cheap Brad Richards style contract.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Doable maybe, but they'll be significantly worse as a team. In that 11.3 they need to re-sign Saad and Kruger. That is likely at least $7M right there. That's now $4.3M for a #4 and #5 defenseman and 4 bottom six forwards

? You included Saad at 4 M and Kruger at 3 so they are already included in the numbers.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

? You included Saad at 4 M and Kruger at 3 so they are already included in the numbers.

Sorry. Two conversations at once.

To be clear, the post in response to you had significantly trimmed already signed players and not re-signing anyone else. In this scenario Sharp, Versteeg, Raanta and Darling aren't included.

The $14M in cap space I discussed was in response to the post about trading just Sharp and Bickell. That leaves $14M in space, but that doesn't include Kruger or Saad.

This was infinitely easier with Cap Geek

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Sorry. Two conversations at once.

To be clear, the post in response to you had significantly trimmed already signed players and not re-signing anyone else. In this scenario Sharp, Versteeg, Raanta and Darling aren't included.

The $14M in cap space I discussed was in response to the post about trading just Sharp and Bickell. That leaves $14M in space, but that doesn't include Kruger or Saad.

This was infinitely easier with Cap Geek

I use spotrac.com but it's nowhere near as good.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Much easier with Cap Geek.

Although Chicago will take some hits this summer, I think the point is that they can keep a large portion of their core, and will not likely lose Seabrook. When you start with Toews, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook and Hjarlmarsson, you are filling out the bottom half. Not ideal with the money they have, but it isn't like they need to try and land a Kessel or another expensive part. They may value those on ELC's and are otherwise cheaper, like a Granlund, but at least those guys will only be looked upon to fill out the bottom 6F or 2D.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Much easier with Cap Geek.

Although Chicago will take some hits this summer, I think the point is that they can keep a large portion of their core, and will not likely lose Seabrook. When you start with Toews, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook and Hjarlmarsson, you are filling out the bottom half. Not ideal with the money they have, but it isn't like they need to try and land a Kessel or another expensive part. They may value those on ELC's and are otherwise cheaper, like a Granlund, but at least those guys will only be looked upon to fill out the bottom 6F or 2D.

I still think one big contract needs to come off over and above Bickell and Sharp. I'm thinking Crawford

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I still think one big contract needs to come off over and above Bickell and Sharp. I'm thinking Crawford

Fair enough. Could be Crawford or Seabrook for that matter. I think if either of those two are dealt, it would be a major blockbuster that could restock the cupboards and is certainly not a camp dump. It would cost.

[Bourque's Twin]

I'd love for the Flames to grab Seabrook and the Oilers to grab Crawford.

[dammage79]

Ryan Hartman will likely be in Chicago full time next season so thats one FW spot they dont need to fill. Have we included Panarin yet?

Then like others have posted, you get down to Baun and Johns as potential full timers too.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's sounds great, but it isn't likely:
Keith $5.5M
Seabrook $5.8M
Hjalmarsson $4.1M
Toews $10.5M
Kane $10.5M
Hossa $5.25
Saad $4M
Shaw $2M
Kruger $3M
TT $1M
Crawford $6M

That's $57.7M for 11 players. That leaves 13M for at least 3 defensemen, 5 forwards and a back up. That's not enough really to even have a 20 man roster

I wonder if they trade Hossa since he has a "retire next year" contract.

Crawford would go before Seabrook

Also they way they are recruiting young players, you have to think there is going to be a lot of opportunities for young player to crack the roster.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I wonder if they trade Hossa since he has a "retire next year" contract.

Crawford would go before Seabrook

Also they way they are recruiting young players, you have to think there is going to be a lot of opportunities for young player to crack the roster.

Don't they have crazy cap recapture penalties if Hossa is traded?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ryan Hartman will likely be in Chicago full time next season so thats one FW spot they dont need to fill. Have we included Panarin yet?

Then like others have posted, you get down to Baun and Johns as potential full timers too.

And all that's true, but those players aren't Sharp, Bickell (maybe not a bad thing), or Oduya. They need the kids to play pretty well to match this year.


But we've said this all before

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I wonder if they trade Hossa since he has a "retire next year" contract.

Originally Posted by Weitz

Don't they have crazy cap recapture penalties if Hossa is traded?

Yup, they better hope Hossa doesn't retire anytime soon (traded or not) or they will really be screwed.

[Sylvanfan]

I suspect that Chicago will get Seabrook locked down to an extension, and than we'll see the roster make over.

Sharp, yeah I can see them trading him, no problem. They have Panarin signed for next year as another forward who may be able to step into the NHL and be productive.
Bickell, another veteran guy that a Phoenix like team can give them something for.

I think Mike Reilly is still very much an option for them on defence who could play a third pair role.

So really they may have some difficulty for a season or two. But what they did before was identify which players were serious core players and kept those guys, so I suspect that they'll be able to do it again. Take Brent Seabrook out of their core...who replaces him?

[azzarish]

I think Sharp gets traded, but I doubt Treliving is one of those GM's that trades for him. Someone will gladly take him and give up whatever Chicago is looking for but I don't think it's going to be us.

Treviling isn't going to make any move that would potentially jeopardize our future, in terms of overpaying. If it was a choice between Sharp or Hudler I'd rather keep Hudler.

[OILFAN #81]

Assuming they fit him in cap wise, I think Washington will be the team that trades for Sharp.

[northcrunk]

Edmonton will trade for Sharp and give a 1st round pick for Talbot. They will be searching for a goalie at the trade deadline.