Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I assumed that if we won our 2 games and Vancouver went 0-3, we would have 37 wins and they would have 35. I thought that's how it worked.

Shootout wins don't count. The first tie breaker is regulation and overtime wins. We currently have 28 and Vancouver currently has 30.

[Frequitude]

Tie-Breaking Procedure:

If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

• The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).
• The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.
• The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
• The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...nav-stn-league

[moon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I actually think a lot of people have never liked the idea of rewarding failure, I know I personally don't like it.

All non-playoff teams having a chance in the lottery was a good first step but I think there should be an equal distribution at the bottom 5 for your odds.

I team actually trying at the end of the season to win games (Islanders and Flames this year) should not punish them in their draft pick.

Good luck on seeing teams like Florida and NYI ever get back to respactability if they are drafting 13th every year and having salary floor payrolls.

It is a nice idea (especially when it benefits your team) to not have the bottom teams get the top picks but that will work to create a huge gap between the haves and the have nots as the bad teams will be stuck with garbage players with little hope of improving.

I like the NBA draft system where it isn't just the 1st pick that moves but all the lottery spots could change. Still has tanking but at least it does give a little more hope for a team like Calgary that didn't just suck as this year we could theoretically move to say 3 and get a great player rather than just hoping for 1 or nothing.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

So if we only win 1 of our last 2 games we stay in 5th? We would tie Carolina but they have 33 ROW and we would have 29 ROW.

Right. And NYI is 4 ROW behind us and 4 points back with 3 to play. So the only way for us to end up in 4th is for them to get 6/6 or 5/6 and us get 1/4 or 0/4, respectively.

[Muta]

I might stir some controversy here, but why not give the 1st overall pick to the 17th place team? They get rewarded the most for competing hard in the season for the playoffs, but the closest ones to not actually making them.

This would force teams ranked 17-30 to actually go out and compete until the final game, with the teams that get the closest to 17 getting rewarded the most. The 16th place team doesn't have incentive to drop to 17 and out of the playoffs, because they're the playoffs and there's a chance of the cup and playoff revenue, which can be highly lucrative.

Thus, draft positions go numerically downwards, from 17 until 30, and then the remainder are determined by the results of the playoffs.

Am I way off base here, or is this a good way to combat 'tanking' and to make games competitive all season? I'm sure the Oilers and their fans would hate this format.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Muta

I might stir some controversy here, but why not give the 1st overall pick to the 17th place team? They get rewarded the most for competing hard in the season for the playoffs, but the closest ones to not actually making them.

This would force teams ranked 17-30 to actually go out and compete until the final game, with the teams that get the closest to 17 getting rewarded the most. The 16th place team doesn't have incentive to drop to 17 and out of the playoffs, because they're the playoffs and there's a chance of the cup and playoff revenue, which can be highly lucrative.

Thus, draft positions go numerically downwards, from 17 until 30, and then the remainder are determined by the results of the playoffs.

Am I way off base here, or is this a good way to combat 'tanking' and to make games competitive all season? I'm sure the Oilers and their fans would hate this format.

1st overall is a HUGE reward for that. Can you imagine if somehow LA just barely missed the playoffs next season and then drafted McDavid? That's hardly fair. Maybe reward them with something like 5th overall, but 1st is too much.

[sureLoss]

Could always do what they do in the KHL, have a tournament and the winner gets the first overall piick.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by moon

I like the NBA draft system where it isn't just the 1st pick that moves but all the lottery spots could change. Still has tanking but at least it does give a little more hope for a team like Calgary that didn't just suck as this year we could theoretically move to say 3 and get a great player rather than just hoping for 1 or nothing.

This is what I've been advocating as well. Sure, the lottery means that the bottom place team only has a 25% chance of actually drafting first, but the current 'punishment' for losing the lottery is a bump of 1 draft slot. Why not continually draw for each subsequent position? The bottom team is very likely to retain a great pick, but it means less of a guarantee, therefore less incentive to 'tank'.

[moon]

So would Flames fans.

People are already disappointed about finishing with the 5th pick now you are saying we are going to be picking 12th instead?

Last year we don't get Monahan but Max Domi?

As fun as the rebuild has supposedly been for many not sure the rebuild is going to be as fun with Domi and Alex Tuch as the centerpieces over Monahan and Dal Colle.

What that system does is reward mediocrity. What has Winnipeg done with their team that they deserve to be rewarded? Washington not giving a crap this year should get them the top pick in the draft?

If that is the system used then the Flames should have canned Colborne, Granlund, Reinhart, Hanowski, Agostini, Wotherspoon etc. and had vets like Blair Jones, Ben Street and other castoffs taking those minutes to give the Flames a better shot at finishing in the coveted 9th spot in the West.

[CliffFletcher]

The point of the draft is parity. It's a business choice made by the owners of the teams, who believe their franchises will be worth more if they can sustain a large number of teams with a legitimate chance at success. The worst possible outcome from the point of view of the owners is a team doing so badly for so long that it loses fan support and has to relocate. The draft has nothing to do with promoting virtue, and everything to do with protecting investments.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by codynw

1st overall is a HUGE reward for that. Can you imagine if somehow LA just barely missed the playoffs next season and then drafted McDavid? That's hardly fair. Maybe reward them with something like 5th overall, but 1st is too much.

How is that hardly fair? They competed hard enough to remain in the playoff race until the very end. They should be rewarded for that.

[Frequitude]

Combining the sportsclubstats standings probabilities with the draft lottery probabilities, these are our chances of getting each pick right now:

1st: 7.8%
2nd: 0%
3rd: 0%
4th: 1.6%
5th: 54.7%
6th: 31.0%
7th: 4.7%
8th: 0.3%

[codynw]

The GMs of all the bottom 5 teams should brawl in a barn. Last one standing picks 1st overall.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Muta

How is that hardly fair? They competed hard enough to remain in the playoff race until the very end. They should be rewarded for that.

Sometimes a team is just bad and needs some help, this system will eventually increase the divide the draft lottery was meant to avoid.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Muta

How is that hardly fair? They competed hard enough to remain in the playoff race until the very end. They should be rewarded for that.

Washington hasn't competed hard they have been a trainwreck team that has coasted as much as anyone.

Right now under that system they get the 2nd pick.

Toronto hasn't really worked hard and madesome boneheaded decision they are looking like a top 5 team in that system. They deserve to be rewarded for making enough boneheaded decisions that they missed the play-offs this year.

What does Jersey deserve to do to be in the 3rd spot? Putting out the oldest team in the league, taking away from teams future and creating a goaltending controversy for no reason? That deserves a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sometimes a team is just bad and needs some help, this system will eventually increase the divide the draft lottery was meant to avoid.

Maybe, but if the worst team gets 13th overall, that's far from being terrible to build around - that's a decent pick. Perhaps if that was a concern, maybe they should invest in a better coaching staff to get more out of their players? Teams could also move up; perhaps all subsequent rounds are based on league standings from bottom to top.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Muta

Maybe, but if the worst team gets 13th overall, that's far from being terrible to build around - that's a decent pick. Perhaps if that was a concern, maybe they should invest in a better coaching staff to get more out of their players? Teams could also move up; perhaps all subsequent rounds are based on league standings from bottom to top.

It's a huge huge difference. Again, sometimes teams are just bad and need help. The goal should be to punish the teams that never get better regardless of how many high draft picks they get, not to radically change the system so no bottom feeder ever gets a great player.

Again, I think if the Flames weren't going full Flame to end the season and playing themselves into worse pick territory, this chatter would be a lot less.

[moon]

You want to talk about tanking if you are Detroit, TO or Washington and have plenty of money and loyal fans what makes more sense 2 maybe 3 home games and a first round defeat or losing a game or two at the end of the year and adding Ekblad/Reinhart?

You want tanking that fight for 9th would make a lot more sense for those guys and easy to achieve with how close the standings are.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by moon

Washington hasn't competed hard they have been a trainwreck team that has coasted as much as anyone.

Right now under that system they get the 2nd pick.

Toronto hasn't really worked hard and madesome boneheaded decision they are looking like a top 5 team in that system. They deserve to be rewarded for making enough boneheaded decisions that they missed the play-offs this year.

What does Jersey deserve to do to be in the 3rd spot? Putting out the oldest team in the league, taking away from teams future and creating a goaltending controversy for no reason? That deserves a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft?

Well, now you're talking about which teams deserve it, which is not the point; that's your own opinion. Those teams you reference were good enough to compete, but not good enough to make the playoffs. Other teams below can fight to get into that position as well, just as much as teams would 'coast' which I don't actually think would happen. Generally, making the playoffs is better than not. Otherwise, why play hockey?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Muta

Maybe, but if the worst team gets 13th overall, that's far from being terrible to build around - that's a decent pick. Perhaps if that was a concern, maybe they should invest in a better coaching staff to get more out of their players? Teams could also move up; perhaps all subsequent rounds are based on league standings from bottom to top.

13th pick versus 1st is a horrible trade off.

Considering with no influx of talent coming in that team is likely to be bottom 5 again they just repeat the cycle again with crap pick after crap pick.

The Oilers streak of 3 last place finishes in a row will be common place as the bad teams will be screwed not only not getting the star players but having the teams ahead of them that they had a chance to pass getting those studs.

Hopefully they implement this system when Calgary is good because if we are a bottom 5 team we will be there for a long, long time.