06-20-2017, 02:09 PM
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#3401
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I think there's room to be skeptical about every possible solution and it's effectiveness. Problem being, you eventually have to pick one, because I can't imagine anything worse that continuing to do nothing.
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Or you can pick multiple. It doesn't have to be this one thing, you can start somewhere and see if it has the significant impact you're hoping for. Moreover, it's not like any particular policy has to eliminate the problem. There's enough room for improvement that a 25% reduction would be absolutely enormous.
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Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll
In your mind, what would a round of 9mm or .223 ammo cost?
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
Or more is fine too. $200? I think someone's life is worth at least $4. That seems fair.
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I'd go much farther than that. $50 per round would be fine by me for 9mm ammo. Hell, apply that to every bullet except 30-06 and .308 (which I think are the most popular bullets used for hunting) and see what happens.
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Last edited by CorsiHockeyLeague; 06-20-2017 at 02:13 PM.
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06-20-2017, 02:17 PM
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#3402
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Tax and insurance. Infecting American gun culture with two of the things Americans hate to pay for most is genius.
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06-20-2017, 02:23 PM
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#3403
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Corsi and I agree on something. Clearly the end times are upon us.
I was foolishly trying to be somewhat reasonable in my response to whiteout's question. Realistically I'd be fine with any increase especially if it made recreational shooting prohibitively expensive.
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06-20-2017, 02:59 PM
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#3404
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In the Sin Bin
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Logically, I would imagine that any effort to tax bullets to the point necessary to achieve any noticeable change would be viewed by American courts as a de facto effort to ban firearms, and therefore unconstitutional.
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06-20-2017, 05:22 PM
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#3405
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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The pro-gun lobby would fight a bullet tax just as much as they'd fight a gun tax.
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06-20-2017, 05:44 PM
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#3406
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I have yet to hear anyone explain why this is a bad idea, other than "it makes hunting prohibitively expensive".
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Because many people will cast their own. It's estimated over 12 billion rounds (cartridges) are purchased every year in the states. Stockpiles are knee deep, never mind the people with the capacity to reload. Hello black market!
Re: firearm insurance. I have a insurance policy covering firearm use, $6 million in liability. Costs me $5 a year. I know I know... Canada vs the US.
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
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06-20-2017, 06:28 PM
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#3407
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
It's estimated over 12 billion rounds (cartridges) are purchased every year in the states.
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Holy cow, is that true? Geezus. If that's the case, if you laid every bullet sold in the States every year end to end, you'd have one long-ass line of bullets!
Seriously though, what the hell are people doing with all these bullets?
It always makes me wonder -- every time some gun nut ends up in the news, they do say something like "authorities found 61 firearms and more than 90,000 rounds of ammunition in the basement of the home he shares with his wife and dogs".
What was he going to do with all those guns, let alone all those bullets?
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06-20-2017, 06:34 PM
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#3408
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Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
Holy cow, is that true? Geezus. If that's the case, if you laid every bullet sold in the States every year end to end, you'd have one long-ass line of bullets!
Seriously though, what the hell are people doing with all these bullets?
It always makes me wonder -- every time some gun nut ends up in the news, they do say something like "authorities found 61 firearms and more than 90,000 rounds of ammunition in the basement of the home he shares with his wife and dogs".
What was he going to do with all those guns, let alone all those bullets?
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Armageddon/race war/overthrowing the Rothschilds
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06-20-2017, 06:35 PM
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#3409
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
Holy cow, is that true? Geezus. If that's the case, if you laid every bullet sold in the States every year end to end, you'd have one long-ass line of bullets!
Seriously though, what the hell are people doing with all these bullets?
It always makes me wonder -- every time some gun nut ends up in the news, they do say something like "authorities found 61 firearms and more than 90,000 rounds of ammunition in the basement of the home he shares with his wife and dogs".
What was he going to do with all those guns, let alone all those bullets?
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Shooting and stockpiling. I'm not sure how many rounds are fired each year, no real figures for that other than people spitballing to try and guess. But the number of cartridges discharged would be rather high I assume.
I guess some people collect pogs, some collect ammo. I know shooters who shoot thousands of rounds every week. Shooting a few hundred rounds inside a hour long session at the range is not out of the ordinary.
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
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06-20-2017, 06:52 PM
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#3410
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
Because many people will cast their own.
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I've no doubt that a black market would spring up, but I doubt the average person is going to go running out to try to learn how to make bullets. The result would still be that it would be far more expensive to fire a gun. That being said, the volume of bullets already stockpiled might present a similar issue to the number of guns out there...
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06-20-2017, 07:58 PM
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#3411
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I read a study that theorized that more weapons came in by overseas transports into LA then weapons coming over the border from Mexico.
There was a report a few years back that stated the same thing for Canada and that there was a fear that the dock workers in Vancouver were completely infiltrated by criminal gangs.
Its probably easier to smuggle a large amount of guns in by sea then to go with smaller shipments coming over the border in legitimate looking transports.
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There's no point in smuggling guns into the US when you can buy them cheaply anywhere on the grey market, it is also pointless smuggling them into Canada, you want a gun you drive down across the line and buy it in the US for a hundred bucks more than it cost the guy who's selling it to you.
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06-20-2017, 08:00 PM
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#3412
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Has anyone on this forum actually fired a gun at a range? It is so fun.
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06-20-2017, 09:51 PM
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#3413
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The only way to fire a gun at a gun range is to not care slightly about accuracy, and just unload that clip like you're in the shootout scene in Heat.
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06-20-2017, 10:07 PM
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#3414
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Well if these dingos have their way, you won't be able to do it both ways - the way God intended. Right, Pepsi?
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06-21-2017, 04:46 AM
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#3415
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Originally Posted by peter12
Has anyone on this forum actually fired a gun at a range? It is so fun.
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Calgary's local shooting range is quite fun and reasonably priced. I've been a couple times, and I took my wife once. Bought 400 rounds. 100 for each of us for a glock and an M5, since she wanted to know what shooting a handgun and a "machine gun" was like. She enjoyed it quite a bit.
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06-21-2017, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by peter12
Has anyone on this forum actually fired a gun at a range? It is so fun.
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I would encourage anyone to go check out their local range, talk to some people and try it out. It's a safe environment, you will learn a few things and beyond that find that the people involved in the shooting sports are a diverse group who are more than willing to help new shooters do things the right way with safety and respect in mind.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
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06-21-2017, 06:59 AM
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#3418
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Originally Posted by Tsawwassen
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As I said, there's no point in smuggling guns into the US, anyone, even a Canadian, can easily buy a gun, a hundred guns, in the states.
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06-21-2017, 07:09 AM
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#3419
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
I would encourage anyone to go check out their local range, talk to some people and try it out. It's a safe environment, you will learn a few things and beyond that find that the people involved in the shooting sports are a diverse group who are more than willing to help new shooters do things the right way with safety and respect in mind.
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like this guy
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06-21-2017, 07:20 AM
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Canada has a higher participation rate against all demographics in the shooting sports than even hockey. One of the best 3-gun shooters in the world and national champion is a openly gay man. The largest growing demographic in the shooting sports right now is women.
So no, duffman, your preconceived notions are off base and wrong. Nice avatar.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
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