12-20-2021, 03:05 PM
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#3381
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
The party can organize and support a primary challenger. It’s happening in Arizona right now with Sinema.
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WV seems like a completely different scenario. Manchin is popular in his state and his state more or less agrees with his stances.
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12-20-2021, 04:55 PM
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#3383
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
WV seems like a completely different scenario. Manchin is popular in his state and his state more or less agrees with his stances.
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Who cares at this point? He doesn't represent the Democrats. He's a DINO. You're better off not having the seat if that seat is just going to work against your agenda. You're losing with him, he doesn't really play for your team, so why support him?
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12-20-2021, 09:22 PM
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#3385
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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You mean someone in their union crunched the numbers and finally figured out that this omnibus bill that is impossible to parse, even for the actual members of congress that are voting on it, actually benefits the working class in a massively disproportionate way? You mean that Biden actually is trying to take care of the coal miners and other working class types?
Who woulda thought?
So, then, why is Manchin not endorsing this bill, especially when it will positively affect his electorate and be dubbed a hero?
One wonders if he's angling for a higher position in the future. It's either a completely obtuse political position devoid of any real knowledge of how this would benefit him, or it's pure gamesmanship. Either way, he sucks.
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12-21-2021, 10:48 AM
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#3386
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Who cares at this point? He doesn't represent the Democrats. He's a DINO. You're better off not having the seat if that seat is just going to work against your agenda. You're losing with him, he doesn't really play for your team, so why support him?
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His obligation is to his constituents, that's how democracy works. And in this instance, it is working rather well.
Americans don't want the version of the Dems that is far left. They would much rather have a centrist/moderate Dem party. They're going to learn this the easy way or the hard way.
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12-21-2021, 10:53 AM
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#3387
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: North Vancouver
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
His obligation is to his constituents, that's how democracy works. And in this instance, it is working rather well.
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It's pretty clear he doesn't give two s**ts about his constituents. Read the post above regarding the mine worker's union.
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12-21-2021, 10:54 AM
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#3388
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by direwolf
It's pretty clear he doesn't give two s**ts about his constituents. Read the post above regarding the mine worker's union.
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His constituents will decide that in the next election.
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12-21-2021, 12:02 PM
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#3389
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
His obligation is to his constituents, that's how democracy works. And in this instance, it is working rather well.
Americans don't want the version of the Dems that is far left. They would much rather have a centrist/moderate Dem party. They're going to learn this the easy way or the hard way.
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You know how far right the overton window has moved when "maybe people shouldn't go bankrupt paying for insulin" is considered a radical leftist idea.
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12-21-2021, 12:13 PM
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#3390
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
His obligation is to his constituents, that's how democracy works. And in this instance, it is working rather well.
Americans don't want the version of the Dems that is far left. They would much rather have a centrist/moderate Dem party. They're going to learn this the easy way or the hard way.
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It's incredibly easy to see how big a troll you are when there is a post right after mine that shows Manchin is working against the best interests of his constituents. So this clearly shows you're a complete and total troll, or a ####ing idiot of the likes never seen before. I believe you're just a massive troll.
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12-21-2021, 12:27 PM
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#3391
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
It's incredibly easy to see how big a troll you are when there is a post right after mine that shows Manchin is working against the best interests of his constituents. So this clearly shows you're a complete and total troll, or a ####ing idiot of the likes never seen before. I believe you're just a massive troll.
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It's up to the voters to determine what is in their best interest.
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12-21-2021, 12:29 PM
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#3392
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by rubecube
You know how far right the overton window has moved when "maybe people shouldn't go bankrupt paying for insulin" is considered a radical leftist idea.
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The "overton window" has moved dramatically to the left in recent years, as has policy.
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12-21-2021, 12:31 PM
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#3393
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At a time when white nationalists are considered mainstream, I would call bull#### on your interpretation of direction of the Overton Window.
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12-21-2021, 12:33 PM
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#3394
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
The "overton window" has moved dramatically to the left in recent years, as has policy.
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Lol.
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12-21-2021, 12:34 PM
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#3395
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
At a time when white nationalists are considered mainstream, I would call bull#### on your interpretation of direction of the Overton Window.
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We're clearly dealing with a deeply unserious person...or an idiot.
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12-21-2021, 12:39 PM
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#3396
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
The "overton window" has moved dramatically to the left in recent years, as has policy.
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Political views aside, I hate this type of response to a challenge - a simple statement in direct opposition of the challenge with no support or reasoning. It is borderline gaslighting.
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12-21-2021, 12:41 PM
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#3397
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Lol.
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We've seen significant gains in social issues on the left. We've seen a massive "industrial complex" of social justice, funded by billions of dollars gain significant political influence. We've seen a massive expansion of gov't and gov't influence. We've seen "defund the police" calls from the left that aren't laughed off outright. We've seen extremists like AOC and her Squad get significant airtime. We've seen massive media institutions like the NYT, CNN, Washington Post, etc get co-opted by woke activists.
I could go on.
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12-21-2021, 12:42 PM
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#3398
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
At a time when white nationalists are considered mainstream, I would call bull#### on your interpretation of direction of the Overton Window.
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White nationalists are not mainstream.
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12-21-2021, 01:11 PM
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#3399
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
White nationalists are not mainstream.
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Well, considering there is a large chunk of the population who want Trump back in office, that makes white nationalism pretty mainstream. Especially when you consider Stephen Miller, Sebastian Gorka, and Steve Bannon were policy advisors that seems to suggest that white nationalists had a pretty big say in his policy making decisions. And if you think that isn't enough, consider that Trump appointed Darren Beattie and Jason Richwine to positions in government departments. Lert's not forget Trump's embracing of the Proud Boys. When a president is appointing known racists and self professed white nationalists to government positions, and embracing groups with links directly to white nationalism, that's pretty mainstream. But continue to deny the obvious.
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12-21-2021, 01:55 PM
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#3400
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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AOC is an extremist? Hmm learn something new every day.
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