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valo403 · 07-23-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Except why would a Hispanic (or black) cop back up a racist?

Haven't you ever listened to 'Straight outta Compton'?

Machiavelli · 07-23-2009, 07:40 PM

^^ I didn't want to jump into this debate but peer pressure amongst cops is huge.

Azure · 07-23-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Ah yes, because cops vouching for each others skewed stories is completely unheard of.

Lets forget the part about the other cop being black.

And focus on all those people that stood outside and saw what happened. When are we going to hear their statements?

VladtheImpaler · 07-23-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

^^ I didn't want to jump into this debate but peer pressure amongst cops is huge.

So, right after the "incident" Officer Crowley said to Officer Figuroa, "Jeez, I am worried that uppity ni..er is going to make a big stink, so we better coordinate our reports". I don't buy it - considering they didn't have much time, and it's not like this was some huge deal (e.g. Rodney King), where the cops would know there could be some serious repercussions. As far as Crowley and Figuroa knew, this was just a misunderstanding, some a-hole got obnoxious and was arrested to "teach him a lesson". It didn't become a federal case until Gates called in Obama, and the reports would have already been filed by then, no?

Displaced Flames fan · 07-23-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

^^ I didn't want to jump into this debate but peer pressure amongst cops is huge.

Especially in tough to police, crime infested areas like LA and Cambridge, MASS.

Azure · 07-23-2009, 07:52 PM

Obama is a moron, and here is more proof.

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said. The academy trains cadets for cities across the region.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/...lar_disorderly

VladtheImpaler · 07-23-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Obama is a moron, and here is more proof.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/...lar_disorderly

Perfect. I used up all my "thanks" for you earlier in the thread, otherwise you'd get another one.

By next week, it will in fact turn out that Officer Crowley is in fact:

CaramonLS · 07-23-2009, 08:01 PM

I think there needs to be a course taught in school (probably as early as junior high or something) called "How to talk to cops."

Notice how in most of these situations they start with said "victim" not complying with the cop in some way. Whether it is giving ID, lipping the officer off, walking away, etc.

The first words out of your mouth should be "Yes Officer", whenever he/she asks for something.

Just shut up and comply and 90% of these incidents wont happen anymore.

metallicat · 07-23-2009, 08:04 PM

I've lost a lot of respect for Obama through all of this...not that I really cared for him beforehand.

Whoops, was that racist?

metallicat · 07-23-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think there needs to be a course taught in school (probably as early as junior high or something) called "How to talk to cops."

Notice how in most of these situations they start with said "victim" not complying with the cop in some way. Whether it is giving ID, lipping the officer off, walking away, etc.

The first words out of your mouth should be "Yes Officer", whenever he/she asks for something.

Just shut up and comply and 90% of these incidents wont happen anymore.

The only thing I'll change about this, is turn that 90% into 99.9%.

valo403 · 07-23-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Lets forget the part about the other cop being black.

And focus on all those people that stood outside and saw what happened. When are we going to hear their statements?

Well I suppose if this had gone to trial you would have heard them then.

I'm not really talking about any racial issues in terms of what's in the police report, I don't think this was a racially motivated incident actually.

I'm talking about the everything by the book and perfectly acceptable manner in which the officer is portrayed and the ranting and raving irrational manner in which Mr. Gates is portrayed. The truth is somewhere in between there. If you don't think that officers write out reports in a manner that hides any flaws or errors they may have made you're incredibly gullible. We all do it, honest self assessment is virtually impossible, which is precisely why reading the police report and coming to the conclusions you've come to is rather foolish.

You've convinced yourself that opinion/viewpoint = truth

VladtheImpaler · 07-23-2009, 08:10 PM

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I've lost a lot of respect for Obama through all of this...not that I really cared for him beforehand.

Whoops, was that racist?

I was actually reasonably pleased with his election and thought he might accomplish something. I now realize that is a pandering, govern-by-poll president, who is scared of Nancy Pelosi, the teachers and most of the rest of Democratic special interest groups. Kind of like a black Eddie Stelmach, but a bit more lefty.

VladtheImpaler · 07-23-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I'm talking about the everything by the book and perfectly acceptable manner in which the officer is portrayed and the ranting and raving irrational manner in which Mr. Gates is portrayed. The truth is somewhere in between there. If you don't think that officers write out reports in a manner that hides any flaws or errors they may have made you're incredibly gullible. We all do it, honest self assessment is virtually impossible, which is precisely why reading the police report and coming to the conclusions you've come to is rather foolish.

There is obviously truth in that. Let me relate a humorous episode to lighten the mood. We were suing the police of a native band for assault (they beat the crap out of our client in front of his kid after pulling him over). Their notes said "The subject retreated in an aggressive fashion, and we had to use force to protect ourselves" to the best of my recollection. We had fun with that one in Discovery.

MelBridgeman · 07-23-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Ah yes, because cops vouching for each others skewed stories is completely unheard of.

it's a conspiracy bitches!

VladtheImpaler · 07-23-2009, 08:23 PM

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it's a racist conspiracy bitches!

fyp

gargamel · 07-23-2009, 08:27 PM

I can understand the people defending the cops, but I just don't get the people vilifying Gates. Unless you're a black man who has lived in a highly segregated city, who are you to say that he should have just shut his mouth and accepted what he perceived, reasonably or unreasonably, to be racism? I'm not saying the cop was racist, but if I were a black man being questioned in my living room in a predominantly white neighborhood, I might have jumped to that conclusion.

As a white man, I wouldn't think anything of it if I got pulled over while driving legally in most neighborhoods. But if I happened to be passing through a predominantly black neighborhood and was pulled over by a black cop even though I thought that I did nothing wrong, I'd assume that it happened because he wanted to let me know that I wasn't welcome around there. That doesn't mean that I'd yell at the cop, but that's because I don't have the stones to risk being arrested. Gates does. More power to him.

Azure · 07-23-2009, 08:31 PM

Maybe because it wasn't racism?

Maybe because as educated as he apparently is, he should use common sense and realize that the cops didn't pick his house.

And maybe, he should have realized the cops were just trying to do their job.

I have a hard time believing that someone who has been on the job that many years wouldn't know how to treat a suspected B&E.

Everyone that knows the officer in question has nothing but the highest praise for him. How many can say the same thing for Gates after learning about the things he said?

Obama?

valo403 · 07-23-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Maybe because it wasn't racism?

Maybe because as educated as he apparently is, he should use common sense and realize that the cops didn't pick his house.

And maybe, he should have realized the cops were just trying to do their job.

I have a hard time believing that someone who has been on the job that many years wouldn't know how to treat a suspected B&E.

Everyone that knows the officer in question has nothing but the highest praise for him. How many can say the same thing for Gates after learning about the things he said?

Obama?

Have you filed a resume at Fox News or MSNBC? The sensationalism based on scant evidence derived from the internet is quite astounding.

Azure · 07-23-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Have you filed a resume at Fox News or MSNBC? The sensationalism based on scant evidence derived from the internet is quite astounding.

Sorry, but anyone who plays the racist card in a situation like this is nothing by scum to me.

Considering Gates is thinking about making a documentary about this.....its not that hard to believe that he tried to intentionally make an scene.

valo403 · 07-23-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Sorry, but anyone who plays the racist card in a situation like this is nothing by scum to me.

Considering Gates is thinking about making a documentary about this.....its not that hard to believe that he tried to intentionally make an scene.

Well I hope for your sake that you never find yourself in a situation where you feel that you have been mistreated based on your skin tone, your religion, or any other basis. It's very easy to sit there and call people scum when your knowledge of the situation is based completely upon hearsay.