Benitez is an idiot. I can't believe you guys are standing up for him. He spent more money than Ferguson from the day he took over the reigns at Liverpool, and that is a fact. He hasn't won a single Premier League title. He is a loser, plain and simple, and that's why we got rid of him.
Doing everything he can to help Liverpool win? Are you serious? He was too focused on winning his battle with the boardroom that he wouldn't play a certain major signing from Spurs rather than lose face. Starting Ngog over this player was best for the team? Really?
[QUOTE=Leon Kennedy;2537713]Benitez is an idiot. I can't believe you guys are standing up for him. He spent more money than Ferguson from the day he took over the reigns at Liverpool, and that is a fact. He hasn't won a single Premier League title. He is a loser, plain and simple, and that's why we got rid of him.[QUOTE]
Take out the one skewed Ronaldo transfer of last year and you'll see before that he spent almost 20MP each year.
He's a loser plain and simple? Yet you want Roy Hodgson? Are you serious? Do you even know who we're talking about? You mean this loser that restored European glory, brought us to the highest of point totals we've seen in a while, won an FA cup and was wanted by the European champions, Juventus and Real Madrid?
This is a joke.
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Doing everything he can to help Liverpool win? Are you serious? He was too focused on winning his battle with the boardroom that he wouldn't play a certain major signing from Spurs rather than lose face. Starting Ngog over this player was best for the team? Really?
We sold a Keane a while ago....N'Gog was the best striker we had after Torres. N'Gog was bought for 1.5MP. You've not been around since the 80s, and if you have you've been living under a rock. You don't even understand the most basic principles.
Some excellent discussion here guys, I for one was not a big proponent of Rafa, but mostly due to his unorthodox tactics, his inability to adapt to the situations each unique game presented as well as some baffling roster moves and outrageously poor purchases.
In other news though, in regards to the matter of the new Boss....
King Kenny wants back in.
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Former Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish is ready to step back into the Anfield hot seat for the first time since 1991 after signalling his intent to withdraw from the selection panel set up to find a new manager, though Roy Hodgson is thought to remain top of the club's wanted list.
Some excellent discussion here guys, I for one was not a big proponent of Rafa, but mostly due to his unorthodox tactics, his inability to adapt to the situations each unique game presented as well as some baffling roster moves and outrageously poor purchases.
In other news though, in regards to the matter of the new Boss....
I disagree mate. I think one of the things Rafa was best at was adjusting to each and every game. We had a stretch there where we could play attacking football, a holding game, or a step back and defend game. Rafa is one of the better tacticians in European football.
Rafa's tactics in European play especially were excellent, the success he had in the CL with a budget that wasn't anywhere near what the big clubs in England, Spain and Italy had is exceptional
No slouch in the league either, ya he didn't win a title but look at the amount of buys he was able to make compared to Chelsea and Man U
For all who're tired of the ownership
This is also available on iTunes, and if I heard correctly, all profits go to SOS....
...it's crazy how much more Liverpool FC are a part of me since I've gone to see them live.
If Tom Hicks somehow still owns the Dallas Stars the next time they visit the saddledome, I will, for the first time ever, hold up an absolutely non-hockey related sign at the game. It seriously just feels like cancer to the club.
EDIT - I've heard that if you haven't yet bought this on iTunes, do not!!!...until the 19th, as an attempt will be made to make it popular...or something. No clue, haven't used iTunes, but that's the word I've heard.
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Terrible hiring, we hired a yesman, Hodgson managed just one win away from Craven Cottage last year which is terrible.
We'll be scrapping to finish 7th next year.
Did you see Fulham's lineup? Average at best would be how I would describe them. Hodgson had them competing every week and took them to the Europa League final. Not to mention he completely revived the careers of Duff and Zamora.
Did you see Fulham's lineup? Average at best would be how I would describe them. Hodgson had them competing every week and took them to the Europa League final. Not to mention he completely revived the careers of Duff and Zamora.
So what? Hodgson is a journeyman manager. Look at Steve Mclaren. Identical resumes. He's gonna be a yesman. It's a classic what have you done for me lately. ing Fat Sam Allardyce at one time was in Hodgson's position.
Who is he gonna revive? Torres won't be enamoured by a no frills Englishman who plays boring football.
Johnson and Insua won't be developed any further if they can't get forward. That takes away there game.
Do you want to tell me that Roberto Martinez's Wigan, Fat Sam's Blackburn, Coyle's Bolton side, or Mick McCarthy's Wolves were worse than Fulham? All those guys managed more wins away than Hodgson. Wasn't Benitez criticized for being too cautious away? Roy ing Hodgson will be a treat if they want to see cautious football.
Would also like to say that when Rafa was hired, Curbishley and Gordon Strachan were the English managers du jour. I bet your glad that Moores/Parry didn't go with one of them.
Would also like to say that when Rafa was hired, Curbishley and Gordon Strachan were the English managers du jour. I bet your glad that Moores/Parry didn't go with one of them.
Actually I don't care. I'm a Spurs fan and I'm perfectly happy with our English manager. I still think Hodgson will be decent. I think you'll see him open things up more at Anfield than he did at Fulham.
Actually I don't care. I'm a Spurs fan and I'm perfectly happy with our English manager. I still think Hodgson will be decent. I think you'll see him open things up more at Anfield than he did at Fulham.
I'll believe it when I see it. Here's to hoping. Rafa is an elite manager, and he knew what it meant to be part of Liverpool FC. I hope Roy can prove his worth, and he better learn what it means to be a part of this club really quick.
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Just wondering on your definition of elite. During his time they managed the one Champions League win - very impressive but it took some controversial decisions to get there and a massive breakdown.
Perhaps my bias is affecting my memory but (other than once) he was afforded the luxury of being able to focus on Europe as they were never really in serious contention for League. In my opinion, this alone detracts greatly from his accomplishments and makes many selection decisions quite easy.
He is a good manager that got decent results from a strong squad - I would hesitate to say elite.
Edit: After writing this I actually hope that you are correct in assessing Rafa as elite. This would imply that a lesser manager would get less and his departure will see Liverpool plunge into the middle to lower part of the table. Ego's such as Torres and Gerrard (just to name a few) would not be happy with that and bolt and leave them wallowing in mediocrity.
Most managers play with what they have, if they have lasted as long as Hodgson has it is because they have adapted to a game that has changed over the last 20 years.
He obviously had to play a style with Fulham that was different than one he could play with a higher pool of talent and pay structure. I am not saying he is Mourinho or anything, but give him a chance with a better quality team. As Rube said Spurs have done fine with an English manager and it was criticized when they hired him.
Just wondering on your definition of elite. During his time they managed the one Champions League win - very impressive but it took some controversial decisions to get there and a massive breakdown.
Perhaps my bias is affecting my memory but (other than once) he was afforded the luxury of being able to focus on Europe as they were never really in serious contention for League. In my opinion, this alone detracts greatly from his accomplishments and makes many selection decisions quite easy.
He is a good manager that got decent results from a strong squad - I would hesitate to say elite.
Edit: After writing this I actually hope that you are correct in assessing Rafa as elite. This would imply that a lesser manager would get less and his departure will see Liverpool plunge into the middle to lower part of the table. Ego's such as Torres and Gerrard (just to name a few) would not be happy with that and bolt and leave them wallowing in mediocrity.
To say that Rafa isn't elite as a manager is wrong, but he was loved by true Kopites because of the connection he held with them, he understood Liverpool and isn't an egotistic like Mourinho or any of them.
Rafa came to Liverpool and restored European glory. He took us from a UEFA Cup side, to number one in Europe both in rankings, and by winning the CL. He repeated this 2 years later, narrowly missing another title.
In between there he won an FA Cup.
That's 3 straight seasons with major silverware, all the while having not spent like Chelsea or the other big European clubs.
Then you can look at Rafa's tactics when he has his team. In one week he crushed Villa 5-0 and then Real Madrid 4-0 at Anfield, and then beat United 4-1 at OT, without Alonso.
Rafa was an elite manager, and you can see that with the likes of Juventus, Inter, and Real Madrid always swooping and trying to get in on him.
Rafa was better in Europe, you are right and he has admitted as much. But at the same time, he has to pick one or the other. Domestically the likes of Chelsea, and United will always outspend him and have the depth to build squads to do well in both.
Rafa did achieve record point totals the other year, finishing 2nd in the prem and having a QF appearance in the CL. All the while having the 5th highest wage bill in the premier league.
If you look at last year, we finished at the same spot we did on the net spend list.
Don't get the last bit, but yes. Hodgson will be a yesman, we will scrap for draws or 1-0 wins every week, and most likely be in the Europa league next year. Torres left Atletico so he could achieve everything, he won't achieve under Hodgson. Mascherano will not want to stay under a manager he won't like.
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