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View Poll Results: When will the ring road be completed?
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1-3 years
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10-26-2009, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fotze
Sounds like someone has a brother in law or something that makes a lot more money than them at an oil company since this theme keeps being injected everywhere where it doesn't fit.
You can drill on indian lands unless you sign an agreement with them.
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haha, those damn oil companies, ruining service and destroying everything since the late 1800's. Pure evil. In my (limited, admittedly) experience... the IOGC have been the easiest to negotiate with!
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Originally Posted by V
That doesn't explain the casino.
I'm with 4x4, this has more to do with mis-trust and sticking it to the man than anything else.
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They like casinos because they like to gamble. Look, if they had such similar values as we do, wouldn't you see a lot more success stories walking around?
I don't disagree with 4x4's point about mistrust, I think he's right, I just think they have a much different value system in addition to that divide.
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10-26-2009, 09:51 PM
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#322
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One of the Nine
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So... Is Mr. Coffee fotze's wife's little bro?
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10-26-2009, 09:51 PM
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#323
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Originally Posted by 4X4
What's the problem? We're not trying to railroad them.
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Yes, you are. Why can't you just leave these people alone to live in peace?
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10-26-2009, 09:53 PM
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#324
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by 4X4
So... Is Mr. Coffee fotze's wife's little bro?
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Yes.
And in an ironic twist, he just found this out by reading this post.
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10-26-2009, 09:53 PM
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One of the Nine
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Yes, you are. Why can't you just leave these people alone to live in peace?
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Lemme get this straight... Walking away from the table after being denied yet again = railroading?
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10-26-2009, 09:54 PM
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#326
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Yes, you are. Why can't you just leave these people alone to live in peace?
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Because we want to shave our drive time down by roughly 5 minutes. Help us achieve this.
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10-26-2009, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Because we want to shave our drive time down by roughly 5 minutes. Help us achieve this.
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I must admit, this made me laugh.
Maybe next time whiteys, enjoy working for the man and being stuck in traffic all day, we'll enjoy living in our crappy houses with no central heating.
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10-26-2009, 09:58 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Why can't we just leave them alone to live their own lives instead of trying to run a highway through their front yard?
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It was those hypocrites that stuck their nose into our business, that's why we are having this conversation right now. If they wanted to be left alone, they would shut the hell up and do whatever it is they do on the reserve, and leave us to plan our road on our land.
Incidentally, why haven't you answered a single question directed at you? I realize your position is indefensible, but dude, you gotta at least try.
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10-26-2009, 09:59 PM
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
I must admit, this made me laugh.
Maybe next time whiteys, enjoy working for the man and being stuck in traffic all day, we'll enjoy living in our crappy houses with no central heating.
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Glad you've got a sense of humour. So if your band is (and assumably always was) against this, why keep the negotiations open for so long?
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10-26-2009, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
They like casinos because they like to gamble. Look, if they had such similar values as we do, wouldn't you see a lot more success stories walking around?
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I actually know quite a few Tsuu T'ina folks, and a good chunk of them are hard-working citizens, that make a good living for themselves. Not one of those success stories that I know actually live on the reserve, though.
The band likes casinos because casinos make them gobs and gobs of money, not because it gives them something to fill their day with.
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10-26-2009, 10:11 PM
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Keep in mind, the people never wanted this ring road, no matter how much money you whiteys threw at us, we would have turned it down.
Our corrupt leaders are the ones who wanted to negotiate, for their own personal gain.
The native people of this land don't place value on the material objects that you all love so much. Please, just let us live in peace and try to find happiness, and we will do the same for you.
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10-26-2009, 10:13 PM
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#332
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Keep in mind, the people never wanted this ring road, no matter how much money you whiteys threw at us, we would have turned it down.
Our corrupt leaders are the ones who wanted to negotiate, for their own personal gain.
The native people of this land don't place value on the material objects that you all love so much. Please, just let us live in peace and try to find happiness, and we will do the same for you.
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Fair enough. Sounds like you people need to address the problem of your corrupt leaders. They've been stringing us along for quite awhile. I bet they've been doing the same to you.
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10-26-2009, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Keep in mind, the people never wanted this ring road, no matter how much money you whiteys threw at us, we would have turned it down.
Our corrupt leaders are the ones who wanted to negotiate, for their own personal gain.
The native people of this land don't place value on the material objects that you all love so much. Please, just let us live in peace and try to find happiness, and we will do the same for you.
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uh huh.
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10-26-2009, 10:14 PM
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I love the racism. Why don't you say it was about your leaders and then move on to why it wasn't good for your band instead of just being an idiot? You probably wouldn't find a more courteous group of anonymous strangers.
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10-26-2009, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Keep in mind, the people never wanted this ring road, no matter how much money you whiteys threw at us, we would have turned it down.
Our corrupt leaders are the ones who wanted to negotiate, for their own personal gain.
The native people of this land don't place value on the material objects that you all love so much. Please, just let us live in peace and try to find happiness, and we will do the same for you.
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Why do I see so many native people of this land driving such big trucks? Come on... you aren't any different from us.
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10-26-2009, 10:16 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Then tell your leaders to shut up.
But please, spare us this "we don't care about materialism" argument. Your corrupt leaders are butting into the city's plans specifically because of materialism, and even more specifically over how much money they stand to lose if it is harder to get to the casino.
The city and its people were moving on to other plans. This entire discussion would not be happening if not for your leaders. So save your pleas for the people who need to hear it. If your values actually do reflect the wishes of your community, then it is incumbent on you to ensure that your leaders actions reflect your values.
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10-26-2009, 10:23 PM
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Keep in mind, our leaders are propped up by your government. No different than when people in the USA vote for a president - they are given two choices. "None of the above" is not an option given to us. We need to reform the system but you whiteys would never let us do this because you don't want to negotiate fairly, you'd rather just buy off one or two guys at the top instead of actually giving us all fair value.
Why do you think we turned down the proposal when our leaders wanted it so much? We're sick of the white man and his shady negotiating tactics. You're just like a big huge car salesman, you think you're so smart and slick. We showed you, enjoy being stuck in traffic.
If we were that into material things, don't you think we would have taken the money? I'd rather live in a cardboard box than take money from you white people.
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10-26-2009, 10:28 PM
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#338
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
If we were that into material things, don't you think we would have taken the money? I'd rather live in a cardboard box than take money from you white people.
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If you live on a reserve and you are in fact native, then I hope you have that box bolted down.
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10-26-2009, 10:28 PM
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock
Keep in mind, our leaders are propped up by your government. No different than when people in the USA vote for a president - they are given two choices. "None of the above" is not an option given to us. We need to reform the system but you whiteys would never let us do this because you don't want to negotiate fairly, you'd rather just buy off one or two guys at the top instead of actually giving us all fair value.
Why do you think we turned down the proposal when our leaders wanted it so much? We're sick of the white man and his shady negotiating tactics. You're just like a big huge car salesman, you think you're so smart and slick. We showed you, enjoy being stuck in traffic.
If we were that into material things, don't you think we would have taken the money? I'd rather live in a cardboard box than take money from you white people.
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It's still all our fault, eh? Your leaders are corrupt because of us? And you'll cut off your nose to spite your face by making us wait in traffic? Okie dokey. Enjoy hating the world.
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10-26-2009, 10:28 PM
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Keep in mind, our leaders are propped up by your government. No different than when people in the USA vote for a president - they are given two choices. "None of the above" is not an option given to us. We need to reform the system but you whiteys would never let us do this because you don't want to negotiate fairly, you'd rather just buy off one or two guys at the top instead of actually giving us all fair value.
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I, along with most fair-thinking "whiteys" would love to end this embarassment of an apartheid system we've got going where 30% of aboriginals are holed up on reserves, basically living in slum housing, and having your culture/families completely destroyed.
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Why do you think we turned down the proposal when our leaders wanted it so much? We're sick of the white man and his shady negotiating tactics. You're just like a big huge car salesman, you think you're so smart and slick. We showed you, enjoy being stuck in traffic.
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Dude, I don't know where you are coming from, but there is no whitey. Sorry, just like you aren't all a bunch of Indians, all of us aren't a bunch of fat racist whites. Goes both ways. When you start spouting off this garbage, I can probably peg what kind of person you are.
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If we were that into material things, don't you think we would have taken the money? I'd rather live in a cardboard box than take money from you white people.
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Chances are, if you live on a reserve, you do take money from the federal government. Just a note here, Canada is not composed of all whiteys. Get a clue, man.
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