Conservatives To Slash Federal Funding of Political Parties [Update-CPC backs down]

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by habernac

from the above link:
"The Liberals campaigned against a coalition with the NDP, saying NDP policies were bad for the economy. And now they want to form a coalition saying that this will strengthen the economy," Harper said.

Harper promised me in the election that there was not a recession and that he would not impose a deficit on my kids as well.

[Resolute 14]

We're not in a recession and we are not in a deficit.

Whereas the Liberals have already very publicly broken their word.

[FanIn80]

Is there anything the Governor General can do in this situation?

This is crazy, it's like I'm forced to just sit here and watch democracy get ripped out of my hands.

I like that Harper has canceled Opposition Day, but it's not like he can do that forever.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Harper promised me in the election that there was not a recession and that he would not impose a deficit on my kids as well.

1. No he didn't. He said the top financial advisers in the world said that Canada was the country setup to best deal with the upcoming crisis. He then said that panicked, knee-jerk moves were not the best plan of action.

2. We are not in a recession and we don't have a deficit. Your kids are safe.

You realize of course, that if Dion or Layton have any say in the matter, you'll wish to God that all we had was a silly little deficit.

[Calgaryborn]

So I don't have time to read the whole thread but I've got to know; Has anyone taken the time to welcome their new overlords? I'm going to be really disappointed if no one has.

[EddyBeers]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...d-4cd2873e87c2

"The federal government posted a $1.74-billion deficit in August"

No numbers for September yet, when they do come out they will confirm that we are in a deficit for the entire year, so that is a check mark in the "why did you lie to me Steve" category

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So I don't have time to read the whole thread but I've got to know; Has anyone taken the time to welcome their new overlords? I'm going to be really disappointed if no one has.

This is Alberta, the liberals haven't been welcome here since the NEP.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...d-4cd2873e87c2

"The federal government posted a $1.74-billion deficit in August"

No numbers for September yet, when they do come out they will confirm that we are in a deficit for the entire year, so that is a check mark in the "why did you lie to me Steve" category

For the first five months of the fiscal year that ends March 31, the government's budget surplus now stands at $1.16 billion, down more than 80 per cent from same time a year earlier.

Yes. How dare they only have a $1.16 billion surplus.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...d-4cd2873e87c2

"The federal government posted a $1.74-billion deficit in August"

No numbers for September yet, when they do come out they will confirm that we are in a deficit for the entire year, so that is a check mark in the "why did you lie to me Steve" category

You're righ. Hang him. Much better to hand power over to a group of parties that will spend like drunken fools to appease each other and send the economy into a tailspin. I mean, it's not like the liberals have ever lied before.

The economy is slowing down, and Harper is trying to put in place a budget that will prevent things from getting worse. The liberals are trying to stop him and retake the power they feel they are entitled to. In doing so, they will have to keep the spending happy NDP and me me me Bloc happy, which will lead to much higher spending. And you may notice that the dispute to your claim was not that we do not have a deficit (operating on the pre-election budget anyway, since the liberals etc are trying to block the new one) but that the conservatives did not say they would not run a deficit. Blowing things up and trying again with a group who have NO plan, will not make the situation any better.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Yes. How dare they only have a $1.16 billion surplus.

Wait for the September numbers, and the October numbers and the November numbers. As of November 28, 2008, the Government of Canada is in a deficit. Those numbers will confirm it. The fact that they had a miniscule surplus in August (especially coming from Flaherty who famously lied about the financial numbers when he was a finance minister in a different government) is of really no comfort. Even Jim will not be able to hide the fact that as of the end of November the government is in a deficit position.

They do not have a surplus today, they had one on as of the end of August. There is a big difference there. Today they are in a deficit position.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wait for the September numbers, and the October numbers and the November numbers. As of November 28, 2008, the Government of Canada is in a deficit. Those numbers will confirm it. The fact that they had a miniscule surplus in August (especially coming from Flaherty who famously lied about the financial numbers when he was a finance minister in a different government) is of really no comfort. Even Jim will not be able to hide the fact that as of the end of November the government is in a deficit position.

They do not have a surplus today, they had one on as of the end of August. There is a big difference there. Today they are in a deficit position.

I'm not sure you really understand how all this works. The budget that we are currently running on was in place before the election. Therefore it has nothing to do with any election promises. The conservatives are currently trying to pass a new budget that will cut spending and therefore prevent a future deficit. Unfortunately, the liberals, NDP and bloc will not pass it. Don't blame it on the ones who are trying, blame it on the ones who are more interested in the chance to gain power than what's best for the country.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Jade

And you may notice that the dispute to your claim was not that we do not have a deficit (operating on the pre-election budget anyway, since the liberals etc are trying to block the new one) but that the conservatives did not say they would not run a deficit.

"We're not running a deficit. We have planned a realistic scenario. We've got conservative budget estimates. We've got a modest platform that doesn't even fill the existing fiscal room that we have and we have plenty of flexibility in how we phase it. So that's our policy. We're not going into deficit." Steve Harper, October 2008

"This country will not go into recession next year and will lead the G-7 countries," Steve Harper, October 2008

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...d-088ed126e8c1

It appears he did promise that we would not go into deficit and that we would not be in a recession next year.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...81005/20081005

"A Scotiabank report is forecasting recessions for both Canada and the United States that could last well into 2009."

We will have to wait to see if Harper broke his promise on the recession, but he already has on the deficit.

[metallicat]

Effin Bloc Quebecois want nothing but more power for Quebec, Duceppe has said it himself. They should not legally be allowed to form any sort of coalition government with a non-separatist party. Can a coalition between the NDP and the Liberals even ever be successful? If this does indeed go down, I hope to hell we get a new election within the year, and this country really puts those two parties in their place.

God damn this pisses me off. Fata the Liberals.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Effin Bloc Quebecois want nothing but more power for Quebec, Duceppe has said it himself. They should not legally be allowed to form any sort of coalition government with a non-separatist party. Can a coalition between the NDP and the Liberals even ever be successful? If this does indeed go down, I hope to hell we get a new election within the year, and this country really puts those two parties in their place.

God damn this pisses me off. Fata the Liberals.

Exactly. There isn't a strong enough word for how pissed off I am at all this. The really stupid thing is all this BS will just drive our economy down even deeper, which is not exactly something we need right now.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So I don't have time to read the whole thread but I've got to know; Has anyone taken the time to welcome their new overlords? I'm going to be really disappointed if no one has.

Haha. I, for one, welcome our new greasy, socialist, power-hungry, french nationalist overlords.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wait for the September numbers, and the October numbers and the November numbers. As of November 28, 2008, the Government of Canada is in a deficit. Those numbers will confirm it. The fact that they had a miniscule surplus in August (especially coming from Flaherty who famously lied about the financial numbers when he was a finance minister in a different government) is of really no comfort. Even Jim will not be able to hide the fact that as of the end of November the government is in a deficit position.

They do not have a surplus today, they had one on as of the end of August. There is a big difference there. Today they are in a deficit position.

Do you think that maybe a global economic tailspin that has affected every G20 economy might have something to do with that?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Jade

The budget that we are currently running on was in place before the election. Therefore it has nothing to do with any election promises.

"We're not running a deficit. We have planned a realistic scenario. We've got conservative budget estimates. We've got a modest platform that doesn't even fill the existing fiscal room that we have and we have plenty of flexibility in how we phase it. So that's our policy. We're not going into deficit." Steve Harper, October 2008

Steve promised in the election (based on the budget in place before the election) that we would not run a deficit. This is because of the "realistic" scenario that he had planned. Because of his "conservative" budget estimate. He had not even filled his existing fiscal room according to him (therefore he would not even need to make cuts, so great was his budgetary prowess) and he had flexibility built into the budget so that if there was a downturn, so he could guarantee (as he did) that we would not head into deficit.

It appears that that entire quote from Steve was rubbish

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by peter12

Do you think that maybe a global economic tailspin that has affected every G20 economy might have something to do with that?

Hey, I have no comment on that, all I know is that Steve promised we would not go into a deficit last month, now we are in one. One could argue he lied and already knew we were in one.

[peter12]

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/1...conoupdat.html

Not sure where you are getting your sources from, but we are still projecting a small surplus for this year. Unless, you are suggesting that the Government of Canada is lying to you.

[Resolute 14]

Do you have an actual statement that we are in a deficit, or is this just wishful thinking on your part?