Man stabbed, then decapitated on grey hound bus

[Locke]

These people need jobs. Or a hobby. Or a solid boot to the ass.

Or getting a solid boot to the ass could be their hobby.

[FlamesAddiction]

The McLean family needs to contact their local Hell's Angels chapter to keep those low-lifes away.

What exactly are they "protesting" anyway? Or is it more of a demonstration?

[Pokerface]

Originally Posted by redforever

And so how do you pro rate the death penalty and who gets it? Killing a cop gets the death penalty, killing an innocent child does not? Killing by a psychopath (yet to be determined here) gets it, someone robbing a bank and killing an innocent teller does not?

Is death that black and white to you? What are the circumstances that merit the penultimate penalty? And who will be deemed to be the judge of that?

As a society, I think you either have the death penalty in all circumstances or you do not, I can not see a grey area in between. A death, no matter how violent, is still a death.

When it comes to capital punishment in society's view there are a lot of cases that deserve it and a lot that don't but the idea of "kill someone and you will be executed" is a strong statement that IMO could scare people into not killing each other in a senseless way. Li IMO should get his wish, a uni-bomber, a serial killer, a mugger who beats a person to death for their wallet deserve capital punishment. You have not right to take another humans life unprovoked, period.

Now it's never going to be black and white, I mean obviously self defense, insanity, drug induced insanity, mental disability are all aspects that play into the judging process. I mean there is no fool proof system to decide these things its personal opinion. For me a man that kills because his life is in danger doesn't deserve the death penalty, but someone like Li or a person who rapes and kills children don't deserve to live.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The McLean family needs to contact their local Hell's Angels chapter to keep those low-lifes away.

What exactly are they "protesting" anyway? Or is it more of a demonstration?

Exactly. The Phelps' meet Hell's Angels. I'd definitely pay to see that. I bet you they'd be willing to do it, too.

[Pokerface]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The McLean family needs to contact their local Hell's Angels chapter to keep those low-lifes away.

What exactly are they "protesting" anyway? Or is it more of a demonstration?

It's a protest...

Phelps' daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, said about seven church members are expected to come to Winnipeg. "What we're doing is trying to connect dots," Phelps-Roper told the Winnipeg Sun last night. "We're trying to get you to see that your rebellion against the standards of God, your disobedience to the commandments -- your idols, your false gods, your filthy ways have brought wrath upon your head."

This was the best one... again... protest Li or your own country for that matter.

[Bagor]

So.... In a sick sort of way they're suggesting that Li was doing God's work?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Muta

Exactly. The Phelps' meet Hell's Angels. I'd definitely pay to see that. I bet you they'd be willing to do it, too.

I'd be willing to drive up to Red Deer and set up a lawn chair, crack a beer and watch that unfold. Whos bringing popcorn?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'd be willing to drive up to Red Deer and set up a lawn chair, crack a beer and watch that unfold. Whos bringing popcorn?

Me.

[Wookie]

If I was going to die in the next week I'd debate killing those people. See what they thought of that.

[Bagor]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ac...630/story.html

WINNIPEG — Doctors who have been working closely with murder suspect Vincent Li have concluded he shouldn't be held criminally responsible for last summer's beheading on board a Greyhound Bus because he was suffering a major mental illness at the time, the Winnipeg Free Press has learned.
Justice sources say two Winnipeg psychiatrists — one representing the Crown, the other for the defence — agree that Li should be sent to a hospital instead of a prison cell. Their findings will be presented at Li's Queen's Bench trial, which is set to begin March 2 in Winnipeg and slated to last just three days.

I appreciate the mother's concerns but IMO this is a better result. I can't see any doctor(s) ever signing off on releasing Li back to the community.

[metallicat]

Just release him. If he beheads again, then throw him in jail. Worth the risk. Everyone deserves a murder mulligan.

[HOOT]

I LOVE the Canadian justice system.

Note to self: If you kill someone, do it in a crazy fashion and no prison time.

[rubecube]

Brutal. Canadian catch and release "justice" at your service.

[pepper24]

Wow, I am sure a lot of people have a similar mental state as this clown. The difference is that they don't decapitate and murder people. They get help and live normal lives.

Why can't he rot in jail and have these doctors visit and help him there? The family of the victim have gone through enough and the suspect should be where he belongs which is jail.

[Daradon]

I dunno, this seems like a pretty exceptional case. Right from the beginning it was obvious he was imbalanced. I mean, he should be kept away from society for sure, but it takes a special type of person to do what happened here.

He seems to be in enough torture anyway. Begging to die, seemed broken and remorseful. Not your typical sociopath who just doesn't care.

It's hard to put things like this into perspective and there is sadness every which way you look. But I have to agree with the doctors assessment on this one.

It's not like he'll ever be getting out anyway. It pretty much the same as being in jail. How's it going to help the family where ever you put him?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Wow, I am sure a lot of people have a similar mental state as this clown. The difference is that they don't decapitate and murder people. They get help and live normal lives.

Why can't he rot in jail and have these doctors visit and help him there? The family of the victim have gone through enough and the suspect should be where he belongs which is jail.

I'm guessing that this guy would be threat to the safety of other prisoners if he were housed in a regular prison.

[FlamesAddiction]

1) If he did stand trial and went to jail, there is always the chance that he could get out one day. Believe it or not, psychiatric hospitals can be more indefinite than prison.

2) Do you really want this guy in a prison where he would be a danger to workers and other inmates? Or would you rather have him drugged up and docile so that he can't hurt anyone else?

[CaptainCrunch]

Sadly I almost agree with this. Sending this guy to prison wouldn't help him at all as prisons are notorious for not exactly ensuring treatment, and other hardened criminals aren't exactly sensitive to dealing with the truly mentally f%%ked.

A prison term might serve the family of the victim who are undoubtedly in pain.

But there's no rehabilitation chances in a prison sentence for this character who is severely mentally ill.

At least in a mental hospital, he'll get treated, he won't be dealing with the worst of the worst, and he probably won't get out.

[Nuje]

As long as the term is appropriate (Life, and I mean real life term, not Canadian 'life' term) I'm fine with wherever they lock him, be it a hospital, or prison. While I believe in firm punishment for such crimes, the more important matter is that dangerous people are isolated from society.
I hate the early releasing of our justice system for two reasons. The less important reason being 'the punishment doesn't fit the crime'. The more important reason being, I simply don't think the 'this person is a moderate/low/virtually no risk to re-offend' tag given, isn't all that reliable. Unless I am faced with a dire situation where killing someone is necessary (I mean something like threatening the family, or we experience a gigantic worldwide anti-gov't revolt, and anarchy ensues) I am mentally incapable of doing it. I couldn't kill someone out of anger, or just randomly. I don't commit any crimes, especially those which would put me in a situation that I could potentially kill anyone. If someone is in jail for murder, those last few sentences to not apply to them. As a result, they are a higher risk to offend statistically than someone who hasn't commited any crimes. While some people may actually re-habilitate, completely change, and be 100% fit to be re-released into society, I think it's unfair to law abiding citizens to play the lottery that they do.
Whichever avenue has this person locked up the longest, to me, is the right one, because he is dangerous.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I LOVE the Canadian justice system.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Brutal. Canadian catch and release "justice" at your service.

So. Since you two condemn the Canadian justice system for this, which country do you think we should emulate? This guy would have been given the same assessment in the United States, so that's out. Maybe you guys prefer China's justice system?