Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Azure

It was bound to happen.

Just wait until Obama wins the nomination...if he does...racism will be out in full force then.

Personally I find the 'personal' insults pathetic....attack Obama with actual substance, because there is a lot of that to go around.

I'm fairly sure the Democrats will have a few things to say about Mr. McCain in the coming months...And in fact a lot of what people talk about is that other than Obama's 'lack of experience', he doesn't have too much dirt.

Thing is...that 'lack of experience' is the reason people are voting for him.

I love how they're trying to rip into Obama for his given name.

Any links to these substance attacks?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

It was bound to happen.

What was bound to happen? An elected Republican congressman would make up some ######ed theory about Obama and spice it up with a little racism?

How can anyone support this party if they expected something like this?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What was bound to happen? An elected Republican congressman would make up some ######ed theory about Obama and spice it up with a little racism?

How can anyone support this party if they expected something like this?

Meh....not exactly.

Just because 'one' congressman said it...certainly doesn't mean that the part as a whole thinks like that.

Obama has a few supporters in the Republican camp....some whom he would even include in his cabinet.

But....the way US politics are....he will be attacked because of his name, and whatever else his opponents can find 'personally' wrong.

And the American people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Just like most of them are dumb enough to vote for Obama without even knowing what his policies are.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Any links to these substance attacks?

NAFTA instantly comes to mind, but of course you're going to dismiss that because like Vulcan said, it was just campaign rhetoric.

Well it wasn't just rhetoric to me....but utterly foolishness. And ignorance too....considering they're talking about unilaterally screwing over their biggest trade partner.

But hey....hope and change.

[Azure]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/0...ecom-immunity/

In a new interview with National Journal magazine, an intelligence adviser to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign broke with his candidate’s position opposing retroactive legal protection for telecommunications companies being sued for cooperating with a dubious U.S. government domestic surveillance program.
“I do believe strongly that [telecoms] should be granted that immunity,” former CIA official John Brennan told National Journal reporter Shane Harris in the interview. “They were told to [cooperate] by the appropriate authorities that were operating in a legal context.”

That wasn’t just a personal opinion, Brennan made clear to Harris. “My advice, to whoever is coming in [to the White House], is they need to spend some time learning, understanding what’s out there, identifying those key issues,” including the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, he said — the law at the heart of the immunity debate.
“They need to make sure they do their homework, and it’s not just going to be knee-jerk responses,” Brennan said of the presidential hopefuls.

[Azure]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/.../obama_adviser

WASHINGTON - A former adviser to Barack Obama who resigned Friday after calling rival Hillary Rodham Clinton "a monster" said Obama may not be able to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within a year as he has promised on the campaign trail.

"He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator," she said. "He will rely upon a plan — an operational plan — that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn't have daily access now, as a result of not being the president."

I hope this makes itself to the forefront.

Obama's reply.

Just campaign rhetoric?

"I will end it in 2009," he said. "She doesn't have standing to question my position on this issue."

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Azure

NAFTA instantly comes to mind, but of course you're going to dismiss that because like Vulcan said, it was just campaign rhetoric.

Well it wasn't just rhetoric to me....but utterly foolishness. And ignorance too....considering they're talking about unilaterally screwing over their biggest trade partner.

But hey....hope and change.

That's the actual substance you can come up with?

If you'd like to talk about foolishness, lets.

Foolishness is trying to convince the American public that they need to keep throwing money at the war in Iraq for the next 100 years. Foolishness is admitting you in fact have little or no knowledge of economic policy. The comments he has made about his lack of understanding regarding economics are going to come back to haunt him this fall. His very, very strong ties to Washington lobbyists are going to cause problems even more.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

That's the actual substance you can come up with?

If you'd like to talk about foolishness, lets.

Foolishness is trying to convince the American public that they need to keep throwing money at the war in Iraq for the next 100 years. Foolishness is admitting you in fact have little or no knowledge of economic policy. The comments he has made about his lack of understanding regarding economics are going to come back to haunt him this fall. His very, very strong ties to Washington lobbyists are going to cause problems even more.

Don't worry....its just campaign rhetoric.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/0...ecom-immunity/

And?

What are you trying to say by posting this?

[Nehkara]

Obama wins Wyoming caucuses by 23 points. 61% to 38%

[Nehkara]

Delegate update folks!

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1428
Obama 1527 (99 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1190
Obama 1328(138 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 238 (29 ahead)
Obama 199


Obama gains 7 pledged delegates.
Clinton gains 4 pledged delegates.

[Vulcan]

I was talking to my niece's boyfriend from Chicago the other day. He doesn't like to follow politics to closely anymore as he's pretty fed up with the whole scene. Pretty much feels the same way about the Blackhawks too but anyways he told me that Obama doesn't have any skeletons in the closet and he is very well thought of in Chicago. I have a good feeling about Obama and I hope he wins.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And?

What are you trying to say by posting this?

That campaign rhetoric is actually pretty tiresome?

How the heck do you know who to vote for if you're smart enough to actually look at policies?

[Azure]

And it begins...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hillary and Bill Clinton are again teaming up on Barack Obama -- this time saying the first-term U.S. lawmaker, whom they have derided as inexperienced, would be a strong running mate on a Democratic presidential ticket headed by the former first lady.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Azure

And it begins...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

They've been saying that since day 1.

Problem is, Bill, that's not what the people want. Talk about selling out your legacy.

[HotHotHeat]

"The only credential for being my Vice President is that they are ready to step in the moment I can no longer be commander in chief" - Bill Clinton, 1992.

So, Bill, Obama's good enough to be VP for Clinton, but not good enough for president?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

"The only credential for being my Vice President is that they are ready to step in the moment I can no longer be commander in chief" - Bill Clinton, 1992.

So, Bill, Obama's good enough to be VP for Clinton, but not good enough for president?

That would be the big criticism of a unified ticket with Obama and Clinton. They spent months pointing out why their opponent would not be fit to be president, but essentially, that's the VP's most important part of his/her job description.

[troutman]

Bill Maher, March 7th:

But, congratulations to John McCain. He wrapped up the Republican nomination this week. Listen to that groundswell of support for John McCain. We know this is official now because Mike Huckabee finally dropped out and said he is joining forces with John McCain. Oh, that’s great. A guy who doesn’t believe in evolution with a guy who remembers it.

Now, I know why the Hillary people are happy this week. Where are the “Yes We Will” people? Yes, that’s the Hillary slogan – “Yes We Will.” And where are the “Yes We Can” people? “Yes We Can.” And where are the “Stop Talking to Me Like I’m ######ed” people? Those are my people.

[Cowperson]

An analysis being talked about on the weekend that appeared in the New York Times: "Obama In Senate, Star Power, Minor Role."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us...f77&ei=5087%0A

Saint Obama is starting to draw some of the in-depth, critical analysis that has been missing from the campaign to date.

For balance, some bear mocking of McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

And the art of political name-calling:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3920027.shtml

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

For balance, some bear mocking of McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Normally I wouldn't side with a guy like McCain, but he's right on that bear operation.

3 million bucks doesn't sound like a lot now, but when the Iraq war has to be cut short by 10 minutes that money they wasted on bear research will be sorely missed.