Dexter

[JustAnotherGuy]

flip, is it okay with you if we talk about Dexter and have some fun with some theories of the upcoming episodes? Do you mind that? Sorry, if you don't like it. But I kinda like having a place to shoot the with other people who watch Dexter.

It is my impression that Lundy recognized the shooter.

[Jables16]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Wow, there are some very emotional responses to the various theories. I don't care for the idle threats about 'last episode I'll ever watch' if the killer turns out to be anyone but Trinity. Why do we have to hold entertainment to an unattainable standard now? It's a great show. Better than 95% of what is on TV these days. Just seems silly to threaten to stop watching if things go a way you might not like.

That said, it is not Anton. I'm not sold that it is Trinity either. It is completely out of his 'character'. Someone said he didn't fit the stereotype of a serial killer. Completely false, IMO. He has to make his kills happen a certain way and at a certain time. He's compelled to a pattern. That's the stereotype to a tee IMO.

Besides, Lundy had no idea who he was until Trinity bumped into him purposefully. I think he was enjoying the chase and wanted to get close to the guy that was hunting him.

We don't actually know an awful lot about his past to be fair. He may have killed people in the past who were close to interrupting his cycle. No one even put together his actual pattern except for Lundy and no one even believe the world's most notorious serial killer hunter. Like Lundy, those kills could have nothing to do with his three traditional methods, just whatever conveniently keeps him off the grid. I think he was so emotional after the kills we saw because they were personal to him and are associated with traumatic events in his past. For all we know he has no problem killing anyone who tries to meddle in his affairs.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Jables16

We don't actually know an awful lot about his past to be fair. He may have killed people in the past who were close to interrupting his cycle. No one even put together his actual pattern except for Lundy and no one even believe the world's most notorious serial killer hunter. Like Lundy, those kills could have nothing to do with his three traditional methods, just whatever conveniently keeps him off the grid. I think he was so emotional after the kills we saw because they were personal to him and are associated with traumatic events in his past. For all we know he has no problem killing anyone who tries to meddle in his affairs.

Great points. Damn it.

I like that I don't really know if Trinity killed Lundy or not. That's the way it should be.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jables16

We don't actually know an awful lot about his past to be fair. He may have killed people in the past who were close to interrupting his cycle. No one even put together his actual pattern except for Lundy and no one even believe the world's most notorious serial killer hunter. Like Lundy, those kills could have nothing to do with his three traditional methods, just whatever conveniently keeps him off the grid. I think he was so emotional after the kills we saw because they were personal to him and are associated with traumatic events in his past. For all we know he has no problem killing anyone who tries to meddle in his affairs.

I think I would be disapointed in Trinity if we find out that Trinity has killed outside of the pattern in the past as it would imply that Dexter will have to kill outside his rules to Survive. To me Trinity is supposed to represent a perfected version of Dexter camaflage.

I was disapointed that he leaves ashes at the scene as that should have been noticed by someone at some of the scenes but it does show his ritual is more important then the risk of getting caught.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

flip, is it okay with you if we talk about Dexter and have some fun with some theories of the upcoming episodes? Do you mind that? Sorry, if you don't like it. But I kinda like having a place to shoot the with other people who watch Dexter.

It is my impression that Lundy recognized the shooter.

If the discussion is based on information that has not been revealed in the show could you put it in white text. For this show in particular I avoid watching previews. Last season this thread spoiled a bit of the show when someone revealed that there was an accident on the set with Smitts stabbing someone. This was after the first episode as you just start to think that Smits and Dexter will team up

[Matata]

Here's a semi-spoiler on one of the 'who killed lundy' suspects:
The actor who played anton, has had his 17 episode contract has expired, so he ain't coming back.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by GGG

If the discussion is based on information that has not been revealed in the show could you put it in white text. For this show in particular I avoid watching previews. Last season this thread spoiled a bit of the show when someone revealed that there was an accident on the set with Smitts stabbing someone. This was after the first episode as you just start to think that Smits and Dexter will team up

Are you saying that I gave something away with my comment?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Are you saying that I gave something away with my comment?

No you didn't. It was more of just a general comment to people posting in the thread.

[flip]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

flip, is it okay with you if we talk about Dexter and have some fun with some theories of the upcoming episodes? Do you mind that? Sorry, if you don't like it. But I kinda like having a place to shoot the with other people who watch Dexter.

It is my impression that Lundy recognized the shooter.

What the hell are you talking about?

[flip]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Wow, there are some very emotional responses to the various theories. I don't care for the idle threats about 'last episode I'll ever watch' if the killer turns out to be anyone but Trinity. Why do we have to hold entertainment to an unattainable standard now? It's a great show. Better than 95% of what is on TV these days. Just seems silly to threaten to stop watching if things go a way you might not like.

That said, it is not Anton. I'm not sold that it is Trinity either. It is completely out of his 'character'. Someone said he didn't fit the stereotype of a serial killer. Completely false, IMO. He has to make his kills happen a certain way and at a certain time. He's compelled to a pattern. That's the stereotype to a tee IMO.

Besides, Lundy had no idea who he was until Trinity bumped into him purposefully. I think he was enjoying the chase and wanted to get close to the guy that was hunting him.

Try not to take people totally out of context. Me and another poster said we wouldn't watch if it turned out to be Anton. As for the rest of your post, someone else already said what I would have so I'll leave it be.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by flip

Try not to take people totally out of context. Me and another poster said we wouldn't watch if it turned out to be Anton. As for the rest of your post, someone else already said what I would have so I'll leave it be.

I kinda wanna see it be Anton if not for anything else to see if you would back that up. I get the feeling that may be hyperbole. You love the show a lot. I can tell by how well thought out some of your posts are. But you would totally stop watching if that happened?? Is it thaaaaaat stupid?? If in the finale of the season, we find out it was just a dream, then yeah, I would be pissed, but for something like that?? Seems like a bit much and I think you would watch next year.

GO ANTON!!!

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Jables16

Not to be insulting but I just can't see it being Anton at all. Reading a few other places people were convinced it was just the vacation killers because it was the same MO but that is obviously just the killer's intent to divert attention from himself.

I don't find it insulting considering I don't think it's Anton either. I do think it's Trinity, but I'm not totally convinced like some. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers brought Quinn and the reporter deeper into the storyline and have the primary and secondary storylines intertwined.

People are getting pretty jacked up over what's supposed to be a fun show. Yikes.

[flip]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I kinda wanna see it be Anton if not for anything else to see if you would back that up. I get the feeling that may be hyperbole. You love the show a lot. I can tell by how well thought out some of your posts are. But you would totally stop watching if that happened?? Is it thaaaaaat stupid?? If in the finale of the season, we find out it was just a dream, then yeah, I would be pissed, but for something like that?? Seems like a bit much and I think you would watch next year.

GO ANTON!!!

Yes, it is that stupid. **Van if you read this before I edited then nevermind, I misread your post, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said my posts were well thought out** Sorry it isn't normal for people to call my posts well thought out.

I do love Dexter and that is why I know it won't be Anton.


If Anton is the killer then I swear I will never watch Dexter again. I really think it is that a)unlikely and b)that stupid.

Just like how I would stop watching if it turned out that Deb was the one who really shot Lundy and then herself because she felt guilty for cheating on Anton and has split personalities.


I don't mind saying that I would stop watching because personally those plot twists would be so stupid that either all the writers on Dexter went crazy or the show would be so dumb that I wouldn't have watched in the first place.

[Methanolic]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't care for the idle threats about 'last episode I'll ever watch' if the killer turns out to be anyone but Trinity.

I'm not sold that it is Trinity either. It is completely out of his 'character'. .

Idle?

It is a great show and has been a great show. If Anton is written in as Lundy's killer, It will instantly become weak and no longer a "great show".



Out of Character?

...Kind of like when Mitchell attacked Dexter because Dexter was taunting him with the ashes?.....That was totally out of "Character" and shows me that Mitchell deals with who ever gets in his way, when ever, and How ever he sees fit.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by flip

Yes, it is that stupid. **Van if you read this before I edited then nevermind, I misread your post, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said my posts were well thought out** Sorry it isn't normal for people to call my posts well thought out.

Damn, I wish I would have been able to see you ripping me.....oh well.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Methanolic

Out of Character?

...Kind of like when Mitchell attacked Dexter because Dexter was taunting him with the ashes?.....That was totally out of "Character" and shows me that Mitchell deals with who ever gets in his way, when ever, and How ever he sees fit.

I think there's a difference between Trinity (possibly) killing Lundy to protect his identity versus Trinity reacting to Dexter taunting him with his dead sister's ashes.

The former completely deviates from his killing pattern (as far as we know) and would be done solely to protect himself from capture which is completely inconsistent with what we know (so far) to motivate Trinity to kill (the death of his family).

The latter, on the other hand, was a reaction to the very core thing that brings out this "need to kill" in Trinity.

I would agree with Displaced in that the former is far more "out of character" than the latter. However, maybe Trinity's number 1 rule (not as formalized as Dexter's) is to never get caught and killing out of necessity to abide by that rule is acceptable for him? Like I said in my previous posts, I'm not totally sold that it was Trinity that shot Lundy because it is out of character as far as the audience knows and that it almost seems "too easy."

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flip

Try not to take people totally out of context. Me and another poster said we wouldn't watch if it turned out to be Anton. As for the rest of your post, someone else already said what I would have so I'll leave it be.

Fair enough. I got the impression you were going beyond the Anton theory, but I could've misinterpreted what I read. It's not going to be Anton anyway. Moot point.

As for the rest of my post, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Maybe you shouldn't leave it be. This is, after all, a discussion.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Methanolic

Idle?

It is a great show and has been a great show. If Anton is written in as Lundy's killer, It will instantly become weak and no longer a "great show".



Out of Character?

...Kind of like when Mitchell attacked Dexter because Dexter was taunting him with the ashes?.....That was totally out of "Character" and shows me that Mitchell deals with who ever gets in his way, when ever, and How ever he sees fit.

Again, I'm pretty sure there was language that went beyond the Anton theory. No big deal though.

As for Mitchell's attack of Dexter, he certainly reined that in quickly didn't he?

Two different scenarios. One (Dexter and Vera's ashes) is an emotional response to something that goes to the core of who he is and what he does. The other (Lundy) was a completely non-emotional but purposeful encounter with his hunter. I don't see the same reaction as a perfect fit with his profile or character or whatever you want to call it.

It coule be Trinity. It does make at least some sense. But I'm not convinced...which, again, makes the show great.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Fair enough. I got the impression you were going beyond the Anton theory, but I could've misinterpreted what I read. It's not going to be Anton anyway. Moot point.

As for the rest of my post, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Maybe you shouldn't leave it be. This is, after all, a discussion.

Someone else (Jables16) already addressed the rest of you post. I didn't want to just repeat the guy so I let it be.


I don't get why people in this thread want to avoid the topic (ie, I should shut up and let everyone else talk about it)? Can we not all have our opinions? Some of you guys seem to think it could be some random killer, some of us don't, apparently that offends some of you that I would like to post my thoughts on why it isn't a random killer.

Jeez CP touchy around here recently. Can't even offer my opinion without people taking offense to it. This is like the 3rd thread that has happened in, during the last week.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flip

Jeez CP touchy around here recently. Can't even offer my opinion without people taking offense to it. This is like the 3rd thread that has happened in, during the last week.

If it bothers you, you might want to try reading your posts before you hit submit and see if maybe, just maybe, they are a bit inflammatory.

Do you really think it's coincidence?