If he cant handle a chirping at the bar then he's going to get eaten alive in the nhl. Now opponents know how to push his buttons.
I’ve read this sentiment from a few different people and I get the “this young man needs to learn a lesson!” reason why people post stuff like this but I also think it’s extremely naive to suggest he’s never been chirped in junior or college hockey. Hockey is hockey. I would bet my life he’s been chirped before and doesn’t fly off the handle every time he is. That would have revealed itself long ago.
Good logic suggests this was something different so people should at least give him the respect of accepting we don’t know.
And besides, if you really think a guy who breaks your jaw and gives you a concussion for chirping him is the one who is going to be eaten alive you’ve got a surprise waiting for you. That’s a 5 minute major in the NHL, and for the other guy that’s however many weeks or months of LTIR.
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Let's be realistic, in the NHL a) he's never dropping the gloves for the same reason no star player ever drops the gloves; and b) if he did, he wouldn't be breaking anyone's jaw, because no one who drops the gloves in the NHL is bad enough at fighting to allow that to happen on skates.
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Let's be realistic, in the NHL a) he's never dropping the gloves for the same reason no star player ever drops the gloves; and b) if he did, he wouldn't be breaking anyone's jaw, because no one who drops the gloves in the NHL is bad enough at fighting to allow that to happen on skates.
Haaaave you met Alexander Semin?
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if this is accurate he is fine and will be getting off with little to no punishment...as he should
Not necessarily. It will turn on whether Mckenna felt he was in imminent danger of a physical confrontation.
If the guy was outside and just continued chirping him but wasn't a physical threat, McKenna has no right to simply punch him.
And none of us know the answer to that question.
I do expect that if the punchee got all up in McKenna's face outside, he could argue successfully that he felt he was in imminent danger of getting punched himself.
This will probably end up the Ferland thing here. Some yappy guy got beat up, realized it was a pro hockey player and filed lawsuit. When it got to court it ended up showing that the "victim" kept hassling Ferland until he got beat up.
I am dumbstruck at the number of posters who think it is perfectly fine - and indeed praiseworthy - to resort to violently attacking someone for (checks notes)… words. Words of any form. Yes they’re offensive and insulting, if true…and that is all. Wow.
I remember a number of years back a basketball player going into the stands to beat a guy. Everyone agreed it was crazy.
Let's be realistic, in the NHL a) he's never dropping the gloves for the same reason no star player ever drops the gloves; and b) if he did, he wouldn't be breaking anyone's jaw, because no one who drops the gloves in the NHL is bad enough at fighting to allow that to happen on skates.
Just like how goalies never fight.
I don’t think anyone thinks it’s going to be any more common an occurrence than any other star player fighting, or as I said, it would have surfaced by now.
I don’t know how many fights you’ve been in but getting your jaw broken by a punch is not a skill issue. And go look at the list of guys who have fought in just the last two weeks and tell me these are all highly trained, seasoned fighters.
If we’re going to be realistic, be realistic. Star players fight and injuries happen regardless of “skill.”
Maybe covered, but has someone who was seen as a consensus first overall pick heading into his draft year ever tanked his perception as badly as McKenna has this year? Yikes.
If the rumors of the altercation are true, he has only increased his value in my perception.
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Bar fights happen. Words cause fights all the time, that's how fights start - someone throws the first punch. Hopefully he gets off light, no reason for this to destroy a young man's career. If they guy moved himself within striking range of Mckenna IMO that is a threat of violence and throwing a punch rather than being punched is a better option.
Obviously walking away would be the best move here, but as a young man that can be difficult especially if someone is verbally provoking you. Now, I don't know the circumstances, so if Mckenna just attacked him and sucker punched him, then yeah, that's assault.
While I can't condone this sort of behaviour I'll allow it, especially the scenario that was reported is true.
I certainly can't judge - I got in bar fights when I was older than that. If this is a deal breaker and you don't want this guy on your team then I have some bad news about your favourite player (most likely).
The poster who is pulling the race card about Evander Kane needs to check himself. Nobody gives a damn what race Evander is - he has a long list of transgressions.
The tweet posted in the previous page - if that is true, I am back on-board the McKenna train full-stop.
McKenna is with his mom at a Penn State event of some sort. Some drunken idiot confronts them, yaps at them, calls Mrs. McKenna a whore, and ends up getting himself kicked out of the bar. Hey, good on McKenna for not popping him right there and then, right?
Then when the McKennas leave, this same idiot was waiting for them in order to confront them again. If I was Gavin McKenna, I too would pop him once or twice right away too. What is McKenna supposed to do at that point? Wait for him to throw the first punch? Potentially pull out a weapon?
I assume it was just right outside, or in a parking lot at 2am - dark. The guy who just yapped enough to get himself kicked out of the establishment chose to wait for you to leave, wanting to confront you. Is doing that to just apologize or something? Or is he there to try and kick your ass? Good on McKenna for popping him only twice. 5 times? 10? Yeah, we are suddenly getting into a very unreasonable amount of force (assuming that the 'victim' is no longer fighting back). 15 he would be incarcerated, and would probably need many years under the guidance of a shrink, right?
But popping a guy who confronted you and your mom inside the bar to a sufficient enough degree to get himself kicked out, and wanting to further engage with you enough that he actually waits for you to leave 'x' amount of time later... popping him twice doesn't seem so unreasonable now.
Again, basing it on that tweet on the previous page. As more information comes out, it may change my opinion. At this point in time, I see it as McKenna making sure he wasn't the victim in that situation - he very well could have become the victim, right?
I guess we will soon know the completely story. Not judging anyone completely until then, even the guy who confronted the McKennas. For all we know, maybe Gavin or his mom started it, got this guy kicked out, and chose to follow him out. That would again change my perception of this event. Curious to see what the truth was, and what the video shows (If it is released).
The news story posted earlier actually says that the police reviewed the video after the "complaint" was made, not after the charges were laid. It could have been after the charges were laid because both would be after the complaint.
I am not sure if the order of operations really matters that much, but if they did review the video and then decided on what charges should be applied, that could suggest that the McKenna's role was more egregious than just being unexpected accosted when he left the bar.
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It's hard to decide which argument I side with. On one hand it's a big scawwy world and the mean man might have besmirched his mommy and you’re honour bound to do a violence in that situation while on the other hand you’re on the precipice of the greatest opportunity of your life you dumbass why are you underage drinking with your family and endangering that with foolish street fights. Grow up dumb dumb.
