Someone can correct me if I am wrong but these list of signatures does not becomes something that is available to parties or candidates for election purposes so who is going to have this list of numbers and will be making calls? The list becomes available for public inspection but personal information such as address and contact info is supposed to be blacked out. There are rules and penalties around what can be done with the list of names.
You are thinking about how the UCP likes to mine and redistribute lists that they shouldn't have access to and should not be sharing.
In that way, the lists from the petitions will be turned over to elections Alberta and any copies or blank forms will be destroyed, as per the rules.
However, the point being made in the interview is that these petitions are getting people out into the community and talking to each other. It is creating community groups and personal connections that did not exist before. The Recall Nicolaides website is building volunteer lists and people are subscribing to their newsletter.
These people are activating in a way to raise awareness and work toward removing Nicolaides from office. They are calling to the community to say that they need more help to gather the required numbers by the deadline. At the same time, it builds a grassroots movement that can and will carry into the next election and potentially future elections beyond that. In a riding that was won by only a few hundred votes, it will probably be flipped by a landslide.
It is a powerful thing in a democracy to have a large group of likeminded people who do not like the current direction of the government and it seems that the further the UCP go, the more people they offend and activate against them.
This kind of movement is unlike the last time where the population turned against the PCs over the growing grifts and incompetence of Stelmach and Redford. This time people are organizing and working together in a way that will have more longevity than a single term.
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You don’t actually assume people are walking house to house, knocking on every door in Wildwood and Bowness, without keeping a record of the houses in which they found people willing to sign the petition, do you?
Once again, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I'm certain that the Recall Act doesn't allow political organizations to gain information from recall processes to be used during an election campaign. If they can't and canvassers are following their code of conduct where they state that they will not use information obtained while canvassing for any purpose not authorized by the Citizen Initiative Act or Regulation then I sure hope people going door to door aren't willingly breaking the rules. But of course, I wouldn't be surprised if people are trying to garner information from these processes.
The amount of wonderful people I’ve met during this has been an amazing experience. It feels really good to interact with people all over the area. I’ve developed a few friendships that will endure well beyond this and I know I’m looking forward to do whatever I can moving forward to unseat Nicolaides.
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong but these list of signatures does not becomes something that is available to parties or candidates for election purposes so who is going to have this list of numbers and will be making calls? The list becomes available for public inspection but personal information such as address and contact info is supposed to be blacked out. There are rules and penalties around what can be done with the list of names.
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Once again, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I'm certain that the Recall Act doesn't allow political organizations to gain information from recall processes to be used during an election campaign. If they can't and canvassers are following their code of conduct where they state that they will not use information obtained while canvassing for any purpose not authorized by the Citizen Initiative Act or Regulation then I sure hope people going door to door aren't willingly breaking the rules. But of course, I wouldn't be surprised if people are trying to garner information from these processes.
Ok, so you have made this comment twice—so I became curious enough to actually check the act and regulations.
Bottom line is this: the Act prescribes limits on what can be done with the petition documents and the list of signatories. You seem to be thinking of the obligation under s 10(1) to destroy documents after the CEO has issued a report. But that governs specific documents prepared under the act. It does not, nor does the Act otherwise, limit the ability of canvassers to keep their own ledger of who they talked to and what they talked about.
When it comes to laws like this, the ability to use the recall process in order to mine voter information is a “feature not a bug”. Recall that virtually the entire point of the idiotic “Recall Gondek” petition was to collect information from voters likely to vote against her in the next Mayoral election.
In other words, this government fully intended that consequence; they just didn’t think it would be used against them. This is a classic example of being “hoist on your own petard.”
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Calgarygeologist is correct everyone who signed up to be a canvasser has to sign the Code of Conduct which states they shall not “ • Use information obtained while canvassing for any purpose not authorized by the Citizen
Initiative Act or Regulation.” https://www.elections.ab.ca/uploads/...gistration.pdf
So no the canvassers cannot keep a record of the signatures.
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I think the question is a bit more nuanced than that. They aren't suggesting keeping signatures. As brought up earlier, they'd just keep addresses of houses that signed, so they know who is a likely supporter later. Is a house address private information? It's hard to argue it's not "information" so even that might be in breach. But what if you just remember a bunch of houses in your neighbourhood? Is remembering that when you go campaigning later a breach?
Well just speaking for myself yes I remember which neighbours signed as well as the few that wouldn’t. I didn’t keep their contact info but yes I know where they live. I collected the vast majority in parks and at my business so I have no idea who they were and what their contact info is (unless they were regulars and I had it anyway). Of course there may have been people that kept the info knowing they shouldn’t.
Calgarygeologist is correct everyone who signed up to be a canvasser has to sign the Code of Conduct which states they shall not “ • Use information obtained while canvassing for any purpose not authorized by the Citizen
Initiative Act or Regulation.” https://www.elections.ab.ca/uploads/...gistration.pdf
So no the canvassers cannot keep a record of the signatures.
What are the penalties for failing to comply with the Code of Conduct?
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Under section 55(3) of the Recall Act, it is an offense for a person to collect, use, or disclose personal information, except as permitted under the legislation. Penalties for breaches of this section are up to $10,000 for individuals and up to $100,000 for corporations, organizations, or associations.
I think the question is a bit more nuanced than that. They aren't suggesting keeping signatures. As brought up earlier, they'd just keep addresses of houses that signed, so they know who is a likely supporter later. Is a house address private information? It's hard to argue it's not "information" so even that might be in breach. But what if you just remember a bunch of houses in your neighbourhood? Is remembering that when you go campaigning later a breach?
It's not even that. In the interview Yeremiy was talking about the connections being created throughout the community. Volunteers, organizers, and signees all are given opportunities to build relationships beyond just the transaction of signing a name to paper.
If you have a conversation at someone's door and they show they are really interested in doing more than just putting pen to paper then that turns into an opportunity for more activism.
She describes it as a death star that the UCP is building against themselves by motivating people to build an Anti-UCP movement and suggesting that it may grow into something more in the future.
It is a really interesting read and I hope that Elections Alberta (and any other authorities worth a grain of salt) start digging into this because I think it is enough to remove a couple of people from office.
I wonder how long until CBC or CTV catches on to the story. This is the kind of drama that they could hook people into for multiple news cycles.
What happened to the post showing Genny Steed was involved in the fake Neudorf recall? Here is a link to the proof, again. To summate: it looks like failed politician and right- wing agitator Genny Steed conspired with Sariah Seaborn and Neudorf’s office to run a bad-faith recall using Ryan Tanner as a complicit patsy.
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It was one thing for this Ryan Tanner guy to put in a bad-faith recall petition but if Genny Steed submitted it falsely under Ryan's name we are now into fraud and conspiracy. Someone could go to jail for this.
If they can tie it back to Neudorf, will we finally have a UCPer resign?
It was one thing for this Ryan Tanner guy to put in a bad-faith recall petition but if Genny Steed submitted it falsely under Ryan's name we are now into fraud and conspiracy. Someone could go to jail for this.
If they can tie it back to Neudorf, will we finally have a UCPer resign?
Oh my sweet innocent little Wolven
This is the UCP, this is the UCP's Alberta.
This will barely get a notice from She Who Must Be Destroyed's office.
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It was one thing for this Ryan Tanner guy to put in a bad-faith recall petition but if Genny Steed submitted it falsely under Ryan's name we are now into fraud and conspiracy. Someone could go to jail for this.
If they can tie it back to Neudorf, will we finally have a UCPer resign?
I found Genny Steed on Facebook.
She is friends with a Lindy Tanner and Ryan Tanner.
