So for you, it doesn't matter what the objectionable action was, it's just a question of whether or not the ends justify the means?
Moral fiber be damned.
Of course it matters. For me personally, the ends DOES NOT justify the means. I'm not defending the move in any way, shape or form. There is a difference between understanding why someone does something, and supporting it. THere is a difference between understanding why someone does something, and accepting it.
I am not accepting any of these actions as okay, and please don't put words in my mouth or mis-understand why I am saying.
For example, with Trump and the GOP, I don't support any of these terrible things that they're doing. At all. Full stop. But I understand why they're doing it. It doesn't mean I don't think it's reprehensible and completely evil.
Pretty simple. His name is on the Stanley Cup, so he helps keep up the illusion that they can run it back and win it all this year.
Jeff Gorton made some really good moves that established the Bruins as a powerhouse. As interim GM, he traded for Rask, signed Chara, and drafted Kessel, Lucic, and Marchand. Chiarelli took over the team he built, canned him, and in due course won the Stanley Cup on the strength of another man's work. When Chiarelli's welcome wore out in Boston, the Oilers hired him.
Jimmy Devellano built the terrific scouting, coaching, and development systems that made the Detroit Red Wings a premier team in the league for more than two decades. He was kicked upstairs and replaced by Ken Holland, who won the Stanley Cup on the strength of another man's work. After Holland was done in Detroit, the Oilers hired him.
Dale Tallon built up the sad-sack Blackhawks into a contender, but his unforced error in re-signing several RFAs got him kicked into a back office with a view of an unplugged fax machine. He was replaced by Stan Bowman, who won the Stanley Cup on the strength of another man's work. It was inevitable that the Oilers would hire him. He has exactly the kind of resume they like.
Well put. 100% true. This should be stickied. Thanks for posting!
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Just when I thought I couldn't dislike Frank anymore.. What an Oilers shill.
I would do yourself a favour and not read the comments.
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Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. He's paid his dues, just like other have (like driving drunk and killing a kid) - and deserves a second chance. I'll judge Bowman based on what he does for this organisation, and what he does NOW as a GM. Past is past, and Kennedy and Beach are ok with this, so who am I (or you all - Oiler fans/hockey fans) to judge? You can have your opinions which is fine, I have my opinion of Vince Lee who's allowed to walk around free after be-heading a guy on a bus with a knfe - or Karla Humulka, the real anatagonist in those awful murders who was set free while Bernado sits in a cell still (they both should be incarcerated for life IMO). There's a lot going on here with Bowman that we DON'T KNOW about. McDonough and Wirtz are the real culprits IMO, along with the HR department of the Chicago Blackhawks, Bowman was a fall guy.
The thing with Bowman is more complex than "he's done a bad thing — but other people have done bad things too, why single him out." The bad thing that Bowman has done makes him uniquely unsuited to do this job. He was part of the leadership of an organization and found out that one of the organization's employees sexually assaulted another. He then helped lead the cover up of that sexual assault.
Can be contrite about this and seek to do better? Of course, and he should. Working with Sheldon Kennedy is a great step on that. I hope he continues to put in the work to raise awareness and change the culture that he was part of. But that doesn't mean that he should have ever been put back into the role that he failed so spectacularly at. He shouldn't have even been considered. Jumping to scoop him up ... Yikes.
It's like Katz read Moneyball and thought "Gee, other organizations' desire to not be associated with sexual assault is a real market inefficiency, I wonder how I can exploit that..."
Not only could he be unsuited to do the job, Edmonton's also a city especially unsuited for someone like him to work in. 95% of Edmonton's identity as a city is tied up in the Oilers hockey team. Those types of cities / towns are where the media, civic leaders all get along to get along in their interactions with the sports team as the team's performance is overly intertwined in an unhealthy way with civic pride. It explains the sycophant media, fans and how somehow Katz's $5MM court battle with a homeless org in Edmonton goes under the radar without significant local bad press. Team is never held accountable for greasy behaviors.
This isn't an environment where if presented with an ethical challenge where doing the right thing could impact on-ice performance would be an easier thing to do than in Chicago. But as established with signing Evander Kane, Corey Perry, and trying out Jake Virtanin, the Oilers aren't ever concerned with doing the right thing if it will give them the slightest edge in their cup dreams. What's next? Inviting Carter Hart to training camp?
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Not only could he be unsuited to do the job, Edmonton's also a city especially unsuited for someone like him to work in. 95% of Edmonton's identity as a city is tied up in the Oilers hockey team. Those types of cities / towns are where the media, civic leaders all get along to get along in their interactions with the sports team as the team's performance is overly intertwined in an unhealthy way with civic pride. It explains the sycophant media, fans and how somehow Katz's $5MM court battle with a homeless org in Edmonton goes under the radar without significant local bad press. Team is never held accountable for greasy behaviors.
This isn't an environment where if presented with an ethical challenge where doing the right thing could impact on-ice performance would be an easier thing to do than in Chicago. But as established with signing Evander Kane, Corey Perry, and trying out Jake Virtanin, the Oilers aren't ever concerned with doing the right thing if it will give them the slightest edge in their cup dreams. What's next? Inviting Carter Hart to training camp?
E=NG
Carter Hart is 100% going to be an Oiler before seasons end….. take it to the bank.
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I'm kinda warming up to this hire for the Oilers. It's sure to make any young player super uncomfortable about signing there. Did they draft any college players recently that are now considering the 4 year loophole (more than before)? I even bet some of the signings and re-signings they made on July 1, are suddenly regretting their decision.
It would be on point for the Oilers to be stuck paying him after he's dismissed.
While not having seen the contract, it would be very hard for OEG to argue any breach or misrepresentation by Bowman being sufficient to rescind the contract.
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