[GT] 2024 NHL Draft Lottery - 4:30 PM MT

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This team has ZERO luck lol

https://flamesnation.ca/news/the-cal...ll-three-times

As it mentions, 8 teams still had a chance with one ball left on the first draw, 6 teams on the second, and 7 teams on the third, so it's not like the Flames were especially unlucky.

It's more amazing that it means San Jose won the first three draws (1st overall plus the first two 2nd overall draws), despite only having 18.5% of the winning combos.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you took one small part of what Francis said and ignored the fact the main reason for his piece was to start a panic among Flames fans Iginla won't be there to pick? Like I said, back to the drawing board.

What you just said is completely contrary to the reality.

Flames fans aren't going to panic because Eric Francis suggested Iginla will get drafted higher than 9th. Flames fans are already over valuing him (in your opinion?) and the majority are (unreasonably?) expecting him to be gone by our pick due to the fact that many people are suggesting he's (unfounded?) really really good.

Eric just said what everyone else has been saying, except for the part about it being a good thing if he's off the board by the time we pick. That's your line he stole, because you've entrenched yourself into not wanting the Flames to take him and now you have to stick to your guns at every Tij post.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If the Flames didn't win the lottery today, I would have preferred Chicago actually, as I just realized that if they had won a lottery, they would be ineligible to win. This would increase the Flames chances in the next few drafts by having one of the teams finishing out of the playoffs being ineligible for the draft lottery.


However, it would really suck to have Bedard-Celebrini to play against for the next decade.

Here's a question I'm not sure of the answer to. San Jose and Chicago both "won" but they held their positions and didn't move up. Does it count towards their allotment?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Here's a question I'm not sure of the answer to. San Jose and Chicago both "won" but they held their positions and didn't move up. Does it count towards their allotment?

It should. It was their set of numbers that were drawn.

[Calgary4LIfe]

That's a good question Sid's Hat, and Top5 answer seems logical to me. They both 'won' the lottery with their numbers, so maybe this does mean that Chicago can't win another for 5 years? Great outcome then!

I haven't heard this being addressed anywhere either, but it does make sense that Chicago is now out of any future draft lotteries for 5 seasons.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That's a good question Sid's Hat, and Top5 answer seems logical to me. They both 'won' the lottery with their numbers, so maybe this does mean that Chicago can't win another for 5 years? Great outcome then!

I haven't heard this being addressed anywhere either, but it does make sense that Chicago is now out of any future draft lotteries for 5 seasons.

Would it reset for Chicago in 2028?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That's a good question Sid's Hat, and Top5 answer seems logical to me. They both 'won' the lottery with their numbers, so maybe this does mean that Chicago can't win another for 5 years? Great outcome then!

I haven't heard this being addressed anywhere either, but it does make sense that Chicago is now out of any future draft lotteries for 5 seasons.

Is this confirmed? Does picking 2nd count against this, or only winning 1st overall?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That's a good question Sid's Hat, and Top5 answer seems logical to me. They both 'won' the lottery with their numbers, so maybe this does mean that Chicago can't win another for 5 years? Great outcome then!

I haven't heard this being addressed anywhere either, but it does make sense that Chicago is now out of any future draft lotteries for 5 seasons.

That's my interpretation but it would be great if the NHL confirmed. It's vague.
Winning the lottery this year, but to get #2, isn't a great outcome for the Hawks. If I were them, I would have preferred NOT to win, to have a chance at the higher end talent available in 2025 and 2026.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Is this confirmed? Does picking 2nd count against this, or only winning 1st overall?

Chicago won the lottery to stay at 2nd overall. I am pretty sure they out.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This team has ZERO luck lol

https://flamesnation.ca/news/the-cal...ll-three-times

Thanks for the explanation, Ryan!

And... of course, that happened.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

What you just said is completely contrary to the reality.

Flames fans aren't going to panic because Eric Francis suggested Iginla will get drafted higher than 9th. Flames fans are already over valuing him (in your opinion?) and the majority are (unreasonably?) expecting him to be gone by our pick due to the fact that many people are suggesting he's (unfounded?) really really good.

Eric just said what everyone else has been saying, except for the part about it being a good thing if he's off the board by the time we pick. That's your line he stole, because you've entrenched yourself into not wanting the Flames to take him and now you have to stick to your guns at every Tij post.

Ya, that's why I had the Flames taking him in my mock draft. You sure are paying attention. I have said multiple times the Flames should take the BPA, Iginla or not. So you keep changing the script and babbling on.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, that's why I had the Flames taking him in my mock draft. You sure are paying attention. I have said multiple times the Flames should take the BPA, Iginla or not. So you keep changing the script and babbling on.

Thanks for pointing out your one post that completely flipped the script and went against everything else you've said, almost like you intentionally wrote that one for the purpose of future use to denounce all that you've said previously. If you've forgotten some of what you've said about this situation because you've been so quick to jump on it every time it's brought up, that's ok too.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Thanks for pointing out your one post that completely flipped the script and went against everything else you've said, almost like you intentionally wrote that one for the purpose of future use to denounce all that you've said previously. If you've forgotten some of what you've said about this situation because you've been so quick to jump on it every time it's brought up, that's ok too.

Not at all. I have maintained all along the Flames should take the BPA regardless of the name. I have only pushed back on anyone saying draft Iginla no matter what. Ya, I totally picked Iginla at 9 to future proof against you trolling me. Well done.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Here's a question I'm not sure of the answer to. San Jose and Chicago both "won" but they held their positions and didn't move up. Does it count towards their allotment?

No, unfortunately.

The team has to "advance" their draft position via a draft lottery win in order for it to count.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not at all. I have maintained all along the Flames should take the BPA regardless of the name. I have only pushed back on anyone saying draft Iginla no matter what. Ya, I totally picked Iginla at 9 to future proof against you trolling me. Well done.

In your mock draft, putting Iginla 9th you went against both of the following things.

Maintaining that Iginla isn't the 9th best player available. You've also maintained that the Flames shouldn't take Iginla over a top C or D as you insist he'll be a winger, and then drafted him before available C or D that you've previously stated we should take at our pick if they're available.

So which is it?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

In your mock draft, putting Iginla 9th you went against both of the following things.

Maintaining that Iginla isn't the 9th best player available. You've also maintained that the Flames shouldn't take Iginla over a top C or D as you insist he'll be a winger, and then drafted him before available C or D that you've previously stated we should take at our pick if they're available.

So which is it?

Is that not the difference between a mock (which is predicting the draft) v. personal stack rank of each player?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is that not the difference between a mock (which is predicting the draft) v. personal stack rank of each player?

No chance anyone puts together a mock draft without their own personal bias towards each player. No one is putting together a mock draft based on theoretical internal discussions of each team's preferences and board.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

No chance anyone puts together a mock draft without their own personal bias towards each player. No one is putting together a mock draft based on theoretical internal discussions of each team's preferences and board.

There's a difference between predicting v. ranking.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There's a difference between predicting v. ranking.

Good. Glad you cleared that up. Not going to debate with you. The conversation is with diss, even though you're desperate to get involved.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not at all. I have maintained all along the Flames should take the BPA regardless of the name. I have only pushed back on anyone saying draft Iginla no matter what. Ya, I totally picked Iginla at 9 to future proof against you trolling me. Well done.

Well you instantly brought this up to defend yourself.

You only push back on anyone saying "draft Iginla no matter what" isn't true either but whatever there obviously isn't any point in discussing your stance on Iginla, that much is clear.

Glad you have done a 180 and now are on the Iginla train. Hope it isn't only because of his name!