2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Holtz IMO, is gonna end up like Eli Tolvanen, a pariah until he gets to another team and then, oh look, there's a really good player there

Is Tolvanen a really good player?
He's largely a one-dimensional offensive players with very mediocre offensive numbers.
If you are only going to be good at one thing, you need to be really good at it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. Or maybe it was Hartley. Or maybe he just didn't have it.

He was just fine until Selloff gave him a concussion. Don't think Hartley had much to do with other than trying to deal with a player who was never the same after that prospect camp

[devo22]

either way, Fitz is a bloody idiot for making such comments on a young player in public. Especially when Holtz is one of the trading chips you're dangling.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

He was just fine until Selloff gave him a concussion. Don't think Hartley had much to do with other than trying to deal with a player who was never the same after that prospect camp

He made Sven cry at at least one practice.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? There are 3 predominant goalies that could be available this summer. The ask for Markstrom was Mercer and a high pick. The ask for Saros is Mercer, a prospect, and a high pick. The other goalie is Ullmark who seems hell bent on staying in Boston. Next year he has a 15 team no trade and you can bet he is putting teams like LA and NJ on it. So if the Bruins move Swayman instead guess what they are going to want? Mercer plus even more than Markstrom and Saros. The #1 goalie market right now is the most expensive as far as asking price goes, if NJ wants a bonafide #1 guy it is going to cost them at least Dawson Mercer.

I'll take the unders on Mercer getting traded for a goalie

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? There are 3 predominant goalies that could be available this summer. The ask for Markstrom was Mercer and a high pick. The ask for Saros is Mercer, a prospect, and a high pick. The other goalie is Ullmark who seems hell bent on staying in Boston. Next year he has a 15 team no trade and you can bet he is putting teams like LA and NJ on it. So if the Bruins move Swayman instead guess what they are going to want? Mercer plus even more than Markstrom and Saros. The #1 goalie market right now is the most expensive as far as asking price goes, if NJ wants a bonafide #1 guy it is going to cost them at least Dawson Mercer.

I sure hope you're right

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My info was Holtz and a 2025 1st that was protected.

The Flames may end up regretting not taking that while they had the chance.

[dgibb10]

Since these alleged NJD offers the flames have burned a year (by far his most valuable year) of his value, and Markstrom has had an 0.878 sv%, negative GSAx, and 3.48 GAA.

Any attempt to convince flames fans that his value hasn't dropped, and dropped significantly, is lying to you.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Since these alleged NJD offers the flames have burned a year (by far his most valuable year) of his value, and Markstrom has had an 0.878 sv%, negative GSAx, and 3.48 GAA.

Any attempt to convince flames fans that his value hasn't dropped, and dropped significantly, is lying to you.

Yes, I'm sure the league has noticed the drop in Markstrom's numbers over the last couple games, but not the fact that the Flames traded half their defense.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Since these alleged NJD offers the flames have burned a year (by far his most valuable year) of his value, and Markstrom has had an 0.878 sv%, negative GSAx, and 3.48 GAA.

Any attempt to convince flames fans that his value hasn't dropped, and dropped significantly, is lying to you.

I'd rather waste his value than sell him for a price well below his worth. At some point Conroy needs to set the market by showing strength.

[dammage79]

I'll say the time to strike a markstrom deal and get good assets has passed.

They had to strike while the iron was hot and I'll believe it when I see it that the Flames will get any value moving forward.


It's not a negative, everything went the way it went, but the time was the deadline. Marky boosted his value through the roof this year but it had an expiration date.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Since these alleged NJD offers the flames have burned a year (by far his most valuable year) of his value, and Markstrom has had an 0.878 sv%, negative GSAx, and 3.48 GAA.

Any attempt to convince flames fans that his value hasn't dropped, and dropped significantly, is lying to you.

No hyperbole here!

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Yes, I'm sure the league has noticed the drop in Markstrom's numbers over the last couple games, but not the fact that the Flames traded half their defense.

These numbers are from the last month. Noah hanifin played in 7/8 games in this sample, 5/8 Chris Tanev played in.

And again, GSAx was included to indicate quality of shots faced.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll say the time to strike a markstrom deal and get good assets has passed.

They had to strike while the iron was hot and I'll believe it when I see it that the Flames will get any value moving forward.


It's not a negative, everything went the way it went, but the time was the deadline. Marky boosted his value through the roof this year but it had an expiration date.

We don't know what was offered but my guess it is well below the rumored Holtz and 1st.

The Flames D is garbage from here on out, every GM knows this and they will still see Markstrom as a player who can improve their team.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No hyperbole here!

34 year old goaltenders don't go up in value when their play drops.

At the time of the alleged NJD offer, Markstrom was saving nearly a goal per game more than expectation. Far better than he has played at any point of his career.

Since then he now has 2 years instead of 3, with each year becoming less valuable than the previous as he gets older (that is how aging works). This alone significantly lowers his value.

And since then he has let in more goals than expectation. I believe he was 34 goals saved above expectation before this in 33 starts, and in the 8 starts since is -1 goals saved above expectation. Again, a massive drop off in play. If he doesn't get it back together by the end of the season you're looking less and less like Schneider to NJD and more and more like Fleury to Chicago.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

We don't know what was offered but my guess it is well below the rumored Holtz and 1st.

The Flames D is garbage from here on out, every GM knows this and they will still see Markstrom as a player who can improve their team.

NHL teams will use every bit of leverage they can. As bad as said D may be, if markstrom puts up sub 0.900 numbers over his last 20 starts to end the season, you're looking more like Kaapo Kahkonen than Linus Ullmark

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

34 year old goaltenders don't go up in value when their play drops.

At the time of the alleged NJD offer, Markstrom was saving nearly a goal per game more than expectation. Far better than he has played at any point of his career.

Since then he now has 2 years instead of 3, with each year becoming less valuable than the previous as he gets older (that is how aging works). This alone significantly lowers his value.

And since then he has let in more goals than expectation. I believe he was 34 goals saved above expectation before this in 33 starts, and in the 8 starts since is -1 goals saved above expectation. Again, a massive drop off in play. If he doesn't get it back together by the end of the season you're looking less and less like Schneider to NJD and more and more like Fleury to Chicago.

So just completely ignoring that the D in front of him has been gutted?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So just completely ignoring that the D in front of him has been gutted?

Imagine being so uncertain as a GM that you almost spend significant assets on a goalie who you completely change your mind about 4 games later….

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So just completely ignoring that the D in front of him has been gutted?

The sample size I am talking about had 7/8 games with Noah Hanifin, and 5/8 games with Chris Tanev.

One Kaapo Kahkonen played in front of the worst team in hockey by far and had near 0.900 numbers.

If approximately 2/3rds of your possible defensive ice time in the sample is played by Tanev, Weegar, Andersson, and Hanifin, surely it should be above a .878

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Imagine being so uncertain as a GM that you almost spend significant assets on a goalie who you completely change your mind about 4 games later….

Markstrom hasn't changed, but his value has.

1 less year

will now be a year older

level of play has dropped.

It's what happens with goalie Volatility. It's why markstrom has been great in 2/4 years and bad in the other 2

[HitterD]

I do find it interesting that one particular Devils fan continues to pop on to a Calgary flames forum and waste hundreds of posts trying to convince Flames fans that their #1 goaltender is less valuable than we think he is. Now why would a Devils fan spend so much time and energy doing this on another teams board? If said Devils fan believes that the player isn’t very good, why not just move on? Or they could continue repeating the same information for Flames fans for another 100+ posts I suppose, that should change a few more minds around here I suspect

Happy to say that Double K is pretty reasonable in comparison