[Rumour] Friedman: Flames and Hanifin have made progress on contract extension

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

We are already the biggest laughing stock in the league with our contracts..

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[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Buff

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McDavid and Leon are on great contracts.

Nurse and huberdeau are very comparable with huby being older and the back end being worse.

Kadri and Campbell are fairly similar...

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I would be pretty happy with a contract that start with a 6 and goes over 8 years. Gio signed his 6 year when he was 32. Getting Hanifin signed till he is 35 is good asset management considering how much the cap is going to start going up. Cap might be 10M higher in a couple years. He accounts to 6% cap hit right now, at 6.75 and a cap of 92M (expected in a couple years) he would be around 7%. Through his prime years that isn't terrible. On the back half of an 8 year, the cap % will continue to lower and probably end up sub 6%.

Jfc, why couldn't we sign our 30 year olds to 6 years instead. I miss when 8 wasn't the "norm"

8 years should be the exception. It's getting out of hand. And not just in Calgary. It's a LONG time to commit to anybody.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think most would support a rebuild. That’s not the issue
Organizational appetite including ownership is the issue

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Then people need to stop going to games and send a message. Attendance is already looking bad to start this season with the lowest attended home opener in decades. If that doesn't speak volumes about the state of interest and confidence in the team, what does?

If the Flames are too dense to start looking at that or digest the trajectory of this franchise vs the rest of the league, then they deserve to start taking some heavy financial losses.

I think people on this forum, who probably should be considered hard core fans, represent only a portion of the fan base. There are more casual fans, or not necessarily fans at all, of the team in Calgary. Rebuilding is sexy as hell to the hardcore fans but I think the organization knows full well that attendance would take a significant hit for an undetermined amount of time. I’m no economist but I suspect there’s good reason why the Flames have historically avoided rebuilding.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think people on this forum, who probably should be considered hard core fans, represent only a portion of the fan base. There are more casual fans, or not necessarily fans at all, of the team in Calgary. Rebuilding is sexy as hell to the hardcore fans but I think the organization knows full well that attendance would take a significant hit for an undetermined amount of time. I’m no economist but I suspect there’s good reason why the Flames have historically avoided rebuilding.

Yeah, but I couldn’t even give away my tickets at the end of last season even though the Flames were still in the playoff mix. The Flames are boring to watch which is acceptable if they are winning. Paying money to watch an old and boring team will lead to less attendance. Especially in light of inflation.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think people on this forum, who probably should be considered hard core fans, represent only a portion of the fan base. There are more casual fans, or not necessarily fans at all, of the team in Calgary. Rebuilding is sexy as hell to the hardcore fans but I think the organization knows full well that attendance would take a significant hit for an undetermined amount of time. I’m no economist but I suspect there’s good reason why the Flames have historically avoided rebuilding.

I think it's as simple as the Flames don't want to be like Buffalo has been for 12 years now, and looks like it's going to be 13 years.

They seem to believe that the idea of "Hope" and at least a chance at the playoffs is better than the pain of a hard 6-10 year re-build with a really good chance at winning at the end.

[jlh2640]

Hanifin based on age. Should be a priority.

[Redrum]

What is the obsession with max term? Are we just assuming that on every deal now because Tre was a desperate dumbass? Hopefully Conroy knows better and that's why there is no movement, because he's instantly shooting that down. I don't think we have any players that are good enough to be demanding that anyway.

[traptor]

I know I won't be buying tickets to another game until something drastically changes. Last game I went to was the March 4th game verse the Wild where everyone starting booing the team.

The GAF levels of huberdeau and Kadri in the wings game gave me similar vibes.

No way I spend >$400 to watch this current core again.

Wouldn't be supprised if many felt the same.
More casual fans have no idea who are top players are even supposed to be.

Wouldn't be supprised to see tickets take a big hit if things continue.

[dustygoon]

Huby's and Kadri's terrible contracts should not effect our thoughts on signing Hanifin longer term.

I think it's great value given age and what Hanifin does for this team if you get him around Weegar's % of cap which is $6.56mm. Or go 6.75. Rebuild or not.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why does the fact he read the site mean that we should hide the truth?

Same thing when Willis responded in the thread where there was criticism of him?

I guess if it is personal attacks they should get the same treatment other posters here get but when they are terrible at their jobs shouldn't we be free to criticize them for it?

Are you serious? You don't see a difference between calling someone names vs criticizing their work? No wonder you are despised on here.

It's easy saying this stuff behind an online handle. It's bullying 101.

Just cut it out. Trying being kind. Or at least nuanced.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Are you serious? You don't see a difference between calling someone names vs criticizing their work? No wonder you are despised on here.

It's easy saying this stuff behind an online handle. It's bullying 101.

Just cut it out. Trying being kind. Or at least nuanced.

"They're a public figure so I can anonymously call them whatever I want!!!"

Insane.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Jfc, why couldn't we sign our 30 year olds to 6 years instead.

And for less AAV also.

Maybe that's the way to go, sign our players for less years and less AAV, so if they stink we are protected.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Redrum

What is the obsession with max term? Are we just assuming that on every deal now because Tre was a desperate dumbass? Hopefully Conroy knows better and that's why there is no movement, because he's instantly shooting that down. I don't think we have any players that are good enough to be demanding that anyway.

Teams give them out because players want them.


You know which team has the most 8-year contracts? Tampa. They have 9.

Many teams have 4. The Flames currently have 2.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And for less AAV also.

Maybe that's the way to go, sign our players for less years and less AAV, so if they stink we are protected.

I just think teams shouldn't roll over for max term like they do now.

It's become too easy for players & agents and teams are going to end up with many terrible contracts in 3-4 years

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I just think teams shouldn't roll over for max term like they do now.

It's become too easy for players & agents and teams are going to end up with many terrible contracts in 3-4 years

All teams should just tell the players what they should sign for. It would be so much easier for the teams and less risky.

Of course, the player might want to take some risk out of their potential career earnings and get the best contract possible for as long as possible?

I'd sign Hanifin for 8 x $6.75 even though I've been on the trade Hanifin train for 2+ years. But if we all think it's a great deal what are the odds that it comes in at a number most of us are comfortable with? Probably pretty low unless he takes a discount to stay, which I doubt he does.

My guess is 8 years would be around $7.5 mil. Maybe even 8. If so, I'd trade him as he just isn't that good, and the team needs to find a replacement for him for less money. Too bad Kylington still is not playing as I think he could easily replace Hanifin or at least close to replace at probably half the money.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I just think teams shouldn't roll over for max term like they do now.

It's become too easy for players & agents and teams are going to end up with many terrible contracts in 3-4 years

They "roll over" because that's the market, like it or not.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They "roll over" because that's the market, like it or not.

A team like Tampa has a pretty good excuse to roll over, at least a little bit. Flames don't. They should be at the other end of the spectrum. Don't like it? Well we don't need you right now, or any time soon. In fact we can't really do much while your still here just taking up salary. Nice knowing you.

[VilleN]

Ugh this iteration of the Flames sucks... I just don't care. Sure, sign Hanifin, he's pretty good - won't really matter though. Sign Lindholm, he's pretty good - won't really matter though. There just isn't much to get excited about... since we've committed to being a bubble team it's tough to care about the young players on our team either, since they will likely be part of the mediocrity until we rebuild, and by the time the rebuild is finished our young players won't be young anymore... And to me, the blame is on Gaudreau and Tkachuk. It's pretty hard to survive having your two best players leave in the same season. However, Tre and ownership should have seen the writing on the wall and rebuilt... we could've probably got an amazing futures package for Tkachuk... Anyways, I'm ranting... just a sad team right now.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Ugh this iteration of the Flames sucks... I just don't care. Sure, sign Hanifin, he's pretty good - won't really matter though. Sign Lindholm, he's pretty good - won't really matter though. There just isn't much to get excited about... since we've committed to being a bubble team it's tough to care about the young players on our team either, since they will likely be part of the mediocrity until we rebuild, and by the time the rebuild is finished our young players won't be young anymore... And to me, the blame is on Gaudreau and Tkachuk. It's pretty hard to survive having your two best players leave in the same season. However, Tre and ownership should have seen the writing on the wall and rebuilt... we could've probably got an amazing futures package for Tkachuk... Anyways, I'm ranting... just a sad team right now.

I'm with you, especially how good this past years draft was. We could have expedited the "rebuild" or re tooled way quicker than in years past.