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Textcritic · 10-31-2022, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sub .900 save percentage through 3 whole seasons against one team. Tell yourself whatever you want but there has been ample opportunity, under a variety of different conditions for markstrom to prove he's not impacted differently against the oilers but he has been incapable of doing so. Even going back to his Vancouver time he was not good against the oilers. I think we should just accept it and play vladar against them. Who cares, we can and will beat them with vladar and Marky can continue to play well against other teams.

I think he proved that well enough on Saturday night, despite the loss.

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Yeah_Baby · 10-31-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

It is kinda funny that their big brag is that their town sucks so bad everyone leaves...kinda like Rider fans

heh I actually really like living here.

Inferno · 10-31-2022, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sub .900 save percentage through 3 whole seasons against one team. Tell yourself whatever you want but there has been ample opportunity, under a variety of different conditions for markstrom to prove he's not impacted differently against the oilers but he has been incapable of doing so. Even going back to his Vancouver time he was not good against the oilers. I think we should just accept it and play vladar against them. Who cares, we can and will beat them with vladar and Marky can continue to play well against other teams.

That has nothing to do with the point he's trying to make though. Saturday wasn't an example of how the Oilers are in his head. They had numerous good chances that if he was shook playing them he would have allowed.

The second goal wasn't them being in his head. It was him misplaying a puck behind the net. Something he does quite often but by the time someone from the other team gets the puck if one of his teammates hasn't already he's already back in his net and set.

Textcritic · 10-31-2022, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

The second goal wasn't them being in his head. It was him misplaying a puck behind the net. Something he does quite often but by the time someone from the other team gets the puck if one of his teammates hasn't already he's already back in his net and set.

I also don't think this is really an issue. It sure wasn't last year, and I think if this is something people are noticing now it is also a problem with how Markstrom is settling in with the ridiculous schedule so far. I see no reason why this won't get better if it's a problem right now.

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Johnny Makarov · 10-31-2022, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I’m sure every fan base complains about rival fans getting their hands on tickets. Nothing new.

At least it's hockey where crowd noise does nothing.

Like in the NFL where crowd noise does make a difference. There were a ton more San Fran fans in LA than Ram fans yesterday.

Goriders · 10-31-2022, 10:12 AM

I rewatched the game. They didn’t lose because of Markstrom. They lost because the Oilers difference makers made plays and ours didn’t.

Our 4th line was our best line. First and second lines were very pedestrian.

If the Flames have anything you could call a problem at this point it’s that Huberdeau and Lindholm aren’t doing much offensively outside of the powerplay.

Our second and fourth lines are paying very well. Defensively and goaltending wise we’re good enough to win each game we’ve played outside of the Buffalo game.

Bingo · 10-31-2022, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

I rewatched the game. They didn’t lose because of Markstrom. They lost because the Oilers difference makers made plays and ours didn’t.

Our 4th line was our best line. First and second lines were very pedestrian.

If the Flames have anything you could call a problem at this point it’s that Huberdeau and Lindholm aren’t doing much offensively outside of the powerplay.

Our second and fourth lines are paying very well. Defensively and goaltending wise we’re good enough to win each game we’ve played outside of the Buffalo game.

And I'm not even sure the 2nd line is playing all that well. They've had production with the Kadri heater, but they're not tipping the scales much five on five by the numbers.

Top line 52.2%
2nd line 50.8%
3rd line 54.3%
4th line 42.9%

Fourth line has been feast or famine all season.

Ironically the Oiler game was a huge step in the right direction defensively, after the team has had a pretty sketchy homestand in adhering to Sutter hockey.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-31-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

That has nothing to do with the point he's trying to make though. Saturday wasn't an example of how the Oilers are in his head. They had numerous good chances that if he was shook playing them he would have allowed.

The second goal wasn't them being in his head. It was him misplaying a puck behind the net. Something he does quite often but by the time someone from the other team gets the puck if one of his teammates hasn't already he's already back in his net and set.

He didn't misplay the puck - he simply didn't get to it.
The right play is to go and cut it off as he tried to do. But it was a hard enough rim it got past him. And then you have to ask why McDavid beat everyone to a puck.

Hot_Flatus · 10-31-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I also don't think this is really an issue. It sure wasn't last year, and I think if this is something people are noticing now it is also a problem with how Markstrom is settling in with the ridiculous schedule so far. I see no reason why this won't get better if it's a problem right now.

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It won't be a problem in 3-4 weeks, if it even is one now to begin with. This team is about to head off on the road next week, and begins a much more normal schedule tomorrow. Goaltending is really the last thing anyone should be worrying about with the Flames.

Players will start to fall into routine, and the Flames will also get to start playing teams they are clearly superior to. Thus far they have played 6 high end playoff teams in 7 games. The other was buffalo, which is not an easy out right now - this doesn't allow for even a thin margin of error.

Inferno · 10-31-2022, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He didn't misplay the puck - he simply didn't get to it.
The right play is to go and cut it off as he tried to do. But it was a hard enough rim it got past him. And then you have to ask why McDavid beat everyone to a puck.

Misplay as in not get to it quick enough to block it.

Bingo · 10-31-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

Misplay as in not get to it quick enough to block it.

I think a guy can get there in time and miss it if it's up on the wall or the glass.

Inferno · 10-31-2022, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I think a guy can get there in time and miss it if it's up on the wall or the glass.

I don't think that was a dump in where it didn't matter what he did he wasn't going to block it.

But yeah, I do agree too that someone could have been closer to McDavid just in case it did go through. Expect the unexpected. Especially when it's the other team's best player.

Bingo · 10-31-2022, 11:02 AM

I just don't see the need to assign blame to a 1 in 1000 play in a hockey game. Bounces are going to happen regardless of how well players execute.

1qqaaz · 10-31-2022, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sub .900 save percentage through 3 whole seasons against one team. Tell yourself whatever you want but there has been ample opportunity, under a variety of different conditions for markstrom to prove he's not impacted differently against the oilers but he has been incapable of doing so. Even going back to his Vancouver time he was not good against the oilers. I think we should just accept it and play vladar against them. Who cares, we can and will beat them with vladar and Marky can continue to play well against other teams.

Couldn't agree more.
Team matchups really matter.

dino7c · 10-31-2022, 12:13 PM

Vladar allowed 3 goals, Flames scored 4
Markstrom allowed 3 goals, Flames scored 2

Steve Bozek · 10-31-2022, 01:41 PM

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

Textcritic · 10-31-2022, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Couldn't agree more.
Team matchups really matter.

Insofar as Saturday's game is concerned, please walk me through this and explain how this works:

The claim is essentially that Markstrom is "incapable of proving he is not impacted differently against the Oilers."

So, for 49 minutes in Saturday's game, Markstrom had stopped 22 of 23 shots, allowing the one goal that was tipped off of Noah Hanifin's stick. Many of those saves were off of high-danger scoring chances, and at no point prior to the 49 minute-mark did Markstrom appear to be particularly bothered or adversely "impacted" by the opposing team. If he is, then how did he manage to do his job as effectively as he did for the majority of the game? Moreover, what is it about the Oilers—or even McDavid—particularly on his play of the tying goal which leads you to conclude that they are a bad matchup for him? What did you see that I am missing? Because from where I was sitting, this game result was a product of two bounces, and an unfortunate mistake. Had this happened in ANY other game against ANY other team this would not be a talking point.

Textcritic · 10-31-2022, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

They are a bottom-third team in shots allowed and expected goals against. That pretty clearly indicates that the Oilers defense is among the League's worst.

Enoch Root · 10-31-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He didn't misplay the puck - he simply didn't get to it.
The right play is to go and cut it off as he tried to do. But it was a hard enough rim it got past him. And then you have to ask why McDavid beat everyone to a puck.

Even then, so what? Offensive players win the race to the puck all the time.

What made this play unusual is that the rim around landed sat flat on the ice, the moment it got to his stick (absolute fluke), and his shot happened to hit an opening under Markstrom's arm.

To those that think he directed it there, no he did not - if his shot were that accurate, especially on a one-timer, he would have 150 goals a year.

He made a good play and got fortunate. Anyone reading more into it than that is trying to find something that isn't there.

Inferno · 10-31-2022, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Had this happened in ANY other game against ANY other team this would not be a talking point.

And his stats are worse against the Jets. They make him look more "shook" against them than the Oilers.

When the Flames play the Jets and if they happened to win the division again and the Jets got a wildcard spot, have and would fans be talking about how concerned they are and that they need to play Vladar instead? They haven't and I highly doubt they would.