Religions doing awful things

[CliffFletcher]

Separate school boards wouldn’t be set up today. But they were established decades ago for reasons that were politically convenient at the time. So the question is what’s the cost-benefit of the legal wrangling and administrative headaches of dismantling them. The government probably has better things to with its limited attention and money.

[Fuzz]

Maybe Locke's school was more normal, but when I read this, I can't help but sit back and ask...what...the...####.


https://www.holyspirit.ab.ca/faith/w...atholic_school


So are they not actually doing this stuff(blatantly lying to parents about what to expect?), or our our tax dollars funding religious indoctrination? Which is it?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

If they're essentially the same as public schools why do we need them and the duplicated administration and bureaucracy?

My understanding is that it was a condition of joining Canadian Confederation. I wasnt around back then, so...yeah.

[undercoverbrother]

All Schools that receive public funding should be secular.

For transparency sake, 1 of my kids went to Public and 1 went to Catholic.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

All Schools that receive public funding should be secular.

For transparency sake, 1 of my kids went to Public and 1 went to Catholic.

Again. Condition of Alberta joining Confederation. So thats not a thing thats going to happen.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

All Schools that receive public funding should be secular.

For transparency sake, 1 of my kids went to Public and 1 went to Catholic.

And do you think it did any harm to your child that went to the Catholic school?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Again. Condition of Alberta joining Confederation. So thats not a thing thats going to happen.

It was an opinion I was posting, my opinion.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

And do you think it did any harm to your child that went to the Catholic school?

No, not my child. I'm not sure it's the same for all children.

But I was always sure to emphasis to him that religion wasn't a real class and anything great than a 51% in Religion would be punished.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It was an opinion I was posting, my opinion.

Fair enough.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Again. Condition of Alberta joining Confederation. So thats not a thing thats going to happen.

I do wonder if it can ever be revisited?

Change happens, I mean when Alberta joined those pesky women didn't have the vote.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Again. Condition of Alberta joining Confederation. So thats not a thing thats going to happen.

Are you suggesting we should get behind the Alberta separation movement if we want these gone? I think that might backfire...


I also hate that decisions made a century ago tie our hands to blatant inequality and zombies. Can't we, like, be reasonable adults and update this stuff? Or are we still burning witches, too?

[Cappy]

Catholic schools are at least constitutionally protected. I do not think there are constitutional protections for hospitals; however, are there restrictions for attending a catholic hospital if you are not catholic?

Catholic schools can be attended by anyone, if I remember correctly, you just have to put up with some catholic indoctrination / religious studies classes

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you suggesting we should get behind the Alberta separation movement if we want these gone? I think that might backfire...


I also hate that decisions made a century ago tie our hands to blatant inequality and zombies. Can't we, like, be reasonable adults and update this stuff? Or are we still burning witches, too?

This is never a phrase that accompanies constitutional change in Canada.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Catholic schools are at least constitutionally protected. I do not think there are constitutional protections for hospitals; however, are there restrictions for attending a catholic hospital if you are not catholic?

Catholic schools can be attended by anyone, if I remember correctly, you just have to put up with some catholic indoctrination / religious studies classes

Definitely no restrictions for the hospitals, two of the four major hospitals in Edmonton fall under Covenant Health.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Definitely no restrictions for the hospitals, two of the four major hospitals in Edmonton fall under Covenant Health.

I fell like that's a problem, though. Do you have a choice when you get an ambulance? Maybe the normal hospital is too far away. I just don't see the need or logic for it. Dissolve their management, roll it into whatever is left of public healthcare, and move on already. The fact you can get denied healthcare because some nonsense that even Jesus probably would have disagreed with is ridiculous. A dog can die with dignity, but if you are a Canadian in a religious hospital? Haha, ya #### you enjoy dying in pain on the toilet!

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I understand the point of catholic schools being to indoctrinate children, but what is the point of catholic hospitals anyway?

I’m trying to think of one outside the standard stuff any hospital offers. It seems like their only point is to restrict, not enhance.

To pray away the illness* or to absolve them when the praying doesn't work.

*See also Danielle Smith and the first three stages of cancer.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah. I don't buy that. I went through the Catholic system and the last thing they did was indoctrinate me or anyone that I knew.

I think one of the best things they did was have a class on Religious education. Learning about other Religions helps one to understand Foreign cultures.

If it was an 'indoctrination scheme' then it was wildly incompetent and ineffective.

Some of those schools seem to have upped some their game since our day.(I’m not saying it like that to offend anyone but in my experience there is an increased focus) My kids go to the old junior high and you wouldn’t believe the look on the principle’s face when I told her that as a tax payer I was offended by her signing off news letters by saying (paraphrasing) “Jesus is the only reason for this school’s existence”.

Edit: I should add that I generally don’t believe the catholic school model to be indoctrination, I believe it to be teaching what they say they’re going to teach about and I have no real problem with how they do it. If the school is teaching something to my kids that I think may be confusing for them, as many things in life are, it’s my job as a parent to give them guidance. But oddly enough a lot of parents don’t seem to agree with that and would rather the school teach them the same thing over and over again rather than potentially touch on a real subject that they’re uncomfortable with because it forces them to have that discussion with their own children.

[MarchHare]

Almost all provinces in Canada have abolished publicly-funded Catholic schools and fully secularized their public education system, as it should be. Alberta is an outlier for being one of only three remaining provinces that still has separate publicly-funded/religion-run schools.

As for why this got started, when Canada became a country in 1867, there was no concept of a "public school" as we understand it today. Education for children in those days was provided by religious organizations. Quebec, which was predominantly Catholic at the time, was understandably wary of English Canada (which was predominantly Protestant) having too much influence over the education of their children. So they made it a condition of joining Canada that the Catholic Church, not Protestant denominations, would run the schools in their province.

Of course, none of that matters anymore because public education has advanced considerably in the last 150+ years and is now provided to every child by the government, not the Church. Notably, even Quebec abolished publicly-funded Catholic schools in 1998. As of today, only Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario still have taxpayers funding the religious indoctrination of school children. There is no Constitutional requirement for this, and all three of those provinces could fully secularize their public education system if they desired.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Some of those schools seem to have upped some their game since our day.(I’m not saying it like that to offend anyone but in my experience there is an increased focus) My kids go to the old junior high and you wouldn’t believe the look on the principle’s face when I told her that as a tax payer I was offended by her signing off news letters by saying (paraphrasing) “Jesus is the only reason for this school’s existence”.

Edit: I should add that I generally don’t believe the catholic school model to be indoctrination, I believe it to be teaching what they say they’re going to teach about and I have no real problem with how they do it. If the school is teaching something to my kids that I think may be confusing for them, as many things in life are, it’s my job as a parent to give them guidance. But oddly enough a lot of parents don’t seem to agree with that and would rather the school teach them the same thing over and over again rather than potentially touch on a real subject that they’re uncomfortable with because it forces them to have that discussion with their own children.

Le sigh....you're probably not wrong. Considering everything we're seeing in institutions these days?

My experience was that they got the most useless teacher available to teach Religion (Deloof) and then just went about the rest of their business of educating.

I mean...he would literally mark test answers correct if you wrote in 'Rugby.'

"What was Jesus' favourite sport?"

But yeah. Its entirely possible things have changed and been ramped up. I can't speak to that.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Locke

Le sigh....you're probably not wrong. Considering everything we're seeing in institutions these days?

My experience was that they got the most useless teacher available to teach Religion (Deloof) and then just went about the rest of their business of educating.

I mean...he would literally mark test answers correct if you wrote in 'Rugby.'

"What was Jesus' favourite sport?"

But yeah. Its entirely possible things have changed and been ramped up. I can't speak to that.

My kids were in thee Catholic System (one still is), and they would sing Katy Perry songs for "Hymn Sing"