[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Does Tampa dismiss a trade for Point? Assuming Tkachuk is extended, do we have to sweeten?

Yes..........

[SuperMatt18]

We aren't getting Brayden Point for Tkachuk...so let's just get that out of the way right now.

[JohnnyB]

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by Icon

STL - Kyrou, ROR/Senko (cap), 1st - reasonable enough, like the idea of flipping ROR or Tarasenko at the deadline too.

VGK - Karlsson/Smith (cap), McNabb/Whitecloud (cap), 1st? - meh, boring, doubt they're interested anyway, they just traded Patches to get under the cap

FLA - I can't even figure out a way to sort out a trade with Florida, no 1st in the next 2 drafts, and they're right against the cap and the pieces they'd give up I don't see us wanting

NSH - Tolvanen, Jeannot, 1st - meh, don't hate it, don't love it

DAL - Kiviranta/Gurianov, Bourque, 1st - same as NSH


But all that said, I'm not getting my hopes up and expecting we trade him for a B-prospect & 2nd round pick.

Any trade with Nashville better include Tomasino. L'Heureux would also be a nice too.

Vegas would be a no go for me. Don't want to face Tkachuk for the next 8 years.

Dallas would be a sneaky good trade partner. Bourque looks like a stud and their 1st could be lottery.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yeah, Lindholm lost the 2 best wingers he’s ever played with and his cousin all within 1 week. Honestly, I hope he asks for a trade too. If this organization doesn’t believe in rebuilds, then let the players force their hand.

Rebuild, find the next McDavid or the next Makar and build through the draft. Don’t rush the rebuild and then build your team through free agency. This is why Canadian teams never win Cups, our impatience and desire to win now leads to rushed rebuilds and mistakes.

Lindy lost two 100 point wingers that help him produce offensively. Dude is looking at this, 2 years away from his own free agency and being like "...who's going to be on my wings that will pump me up the way those two did?"

Man, this is all so wild to me. I'm kind of here for it though. This sort of rapid change is exciting. I just hope the Flames take a patient approach from here.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Nah. Sutter is licking his chops to 03-04 this thing.

He will put them in their place all year long and get them all to overachieve as a result.

Unfortunately this is more like if the Flames couldn't come to terms with Iginla when he was 25 and almost held out coming off his big season in 01-02.

Sometimes people forget but that was actually a pretty tenuous negotiation and there were a lot of trade rumors around that time.

[Harry Lime]

All that is left on St. Louis to trade for (not 'off the table') are their best three prospects and the first. No reason to be coy with them. Bolduc, Snuggerud, Perunovich, 1st, and because they were crap with cap control, Tarasenko to match salaries.

Vegas just doesn't have the prospect capital anymore. Karlsson, Hague, Brisson, 1st would get them in the conversation, but only the 2024 is an add beyond that.

Florida has Denisenko and Samskovich but their next two firsts are gone already. That means a big ticket roster player coming back with the two prospects, and Florida is in big cap trouble. I don't see a path.

Nashville is an interesting dark horse. Kemell, Tomasino, Tolvanen and 1st? They have cap to spare.

Dallas has the pieces to make this happen. Wyatt Johnson, Stankhoven and Gurianov would be a really nice deal. They are flush with cap.

Those are the rumored teams on Tkachuk's list. Dallas has the ability to put up the best offer, if they decide to.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I find it funny how many people say this like it is the easiest thing in the world. The Flames just had two of their stars walk after a good season, and we are supposed to believe that they will be lucky enough to land a player like that in the draft? If this franchise has an abundance of anything, it's s***luck.

Also a gentle reminder that we drafted a core of players, and then ended up losing them...

Goes to show you that there isn't some magical formula to building a successful team. But you do have to invest into your team and make smart moves to retain your stars.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Best case scenario. We were never gonna win a cup with Johnny and Chucky as our core. Signing them to huge money deals would have turned us into the Minnesota Wild 2.0. And likely soured their relationship with fans because they are gonna underperform those contracts imo.

Sorry to see them go because I enjoyed watching them play but I’m more excited about the future of the flames than I have been in a long time.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Lindy lost two 100 point wingers that help him produce offensively. Dude is looking at this, 2 years away from his own free agency and being like "...who's going to be on my wings that will pump me up the way those two did?"

Man, this is all so wild to me. I'm kind of here for it though. This sort of rapid change is exciting. I just hope the Flames take a patient approach from here.

The Flames should be thinking the same thing and looking to move him this summer too.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Imagine if the Flames played it really smart and retained on Lindholm too.

A top line center, with no trade protection for $2.5M for the next two years.

That might demand a better return than Tkachuk

This is far more than I can imagine

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

All that is left on St. Louis to trade for (not 'off the table') are their best three prospects and the first. No reason to be coy with them. Bolduc, Snuggerud, Perunovich, 1st, and because they were crap with cap control, Tarasenko to match salaries.

Vegas just doesn't have the prospect capital anymore. Karlsson, Hague, Brisson, 1st would get them in the conversation, but only the 2024 is an add beyond that.

Florida has Denisenko and Samskovich but their next two firsts are gone already. That means a big ticket roster player coming back with the two prospects, and Florida is in big cap trouble. I don't see a path.

Nashville is an interesting dark horse. Kemell, Tomasino, Tolvanen and 1st? They have cap to spare.

Dallas has the pieces to make this happen. Wyatt Johnson, Stankhoven and Gurianov would be a really nice deal. They are flush with cap.

Those are the rumored teams on Tkachuk's list. Dallas has the ability to put up the best offer, if they decide to.

Dallas isn't that flush. They still have to sign Robertson. Unless they want to include him (OK). Oh, and they have to sign Oettinger. They have zero room with those two guys added.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by calgARI

This is nothing short of a total disaster.

This disaster was created by Treliving with the absolutely stupid 3 year contract, he had the hammer and handed it to Tkachuk on a golden platter.

He did the same with Mangiapane, could have had him on a reasonable long term contract but now he's a $5.5m player.

Good GM's lock up their good young players when they have the hammer, for some reason Treliving stopped doing that.

[mile]

Seravalli on Oilers Now:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549840968110682112


I hope TB is interested too

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

All that is left on St. Louis to trade for (not 'off the table') are their best three prospects and the first. No reason to be coy with them. Bolduc, Snuggerud, Perunovich, 1st, and because they were crap with cap control, Tarasenko to match salaries.

Vegas just doesn't have the prospect capital anymore. Karlsson, Hague, Brisson, 1st would get them in the conversation, but only the 2024 is an add beyond that.

Florida has Denisenko and Samskovich but their next two firsts are gone already. That means a big ticket roster player coming back with the two prospects, and Florida is in big cap trouble. I don't see a path.

Nashville is an interesting dark horse. Kemell, Tomasino, Tolvanen and 1st? They have cap to spare.

Dallas has the pieces to make this happen. Wyatt Johnson, Stankhoven and Gurianov would be a really nice deal. They are flush with cap.

Those are the rumored teams on Tkachuk's list. Dallas has the ability to put up the best offer, if they decide to.

If I'm Treliving, I'd only be entertaining offers from Dallas, Nashville, St. Louis or New Jersey. Any of the other teams don't have the assets or the cap space to make a deal work.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

Any trade with Nashville better include Tomasino. L'Heureux would also be a nice too.

Vegas would be a no go for me. Don't want to face Tkachuk for the next 8 years.

Dallas would be a sneaky good trade partner. Bourque looks like a stud and their 1st could be lottery.

Agreed on Tomasino but I didn't think Nashville would be interested in moving him.

Don't think we need to worry about Vegas being in the running at all.

The more I look at Dallas as a trade partner the more interested I am. 1st could definitely be a lottery one, Bourque is who I was hoping the Flames would draft instead of Zary, having both in the system would be great. And who knows maybe talks bring out that Robertson won't re-sign there for whatever reason.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unfortunately this is more like if the Flames couldn't come to terms with Iginla when he was 25 and almost held out coming off his big season in 01-02.

Sometimes people forget but that was actually a pretty tenuous negotiation and there were a lot of trade rumors around that time.

This was when he was going to get traded for Michael Peca, no?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have no interest in any of those deals besides the Blues and if Dallas wants Tkachuk I want Robertson or they can FO.

Now why would Dallas give up Robertson for Tkachuk?

Calgary holds few cards here, they have to trade him, Dallas does not have to trade Robertson.

Get used to the fact it will be a quantity of assets coming Calgary's way.

Now it won't be a poo poo platter by any means, but there won't be a player that is particularly close to Tkachuk's value.

If Treliving holds out for a player as good as Robertson, we'll be waving good bye to Tkachuk just like Johnny.

[djsFlames]

Multiple A level prospects and a 1st from NJ would be great the more I think about it.

Tkachuk won't improve their draft position.

[Lanny's Stache]

So Tkachuk is willing to go home to St Louis or to a team that is based in a state with no income tax......... He was never going to sign here for anything close to a reasonable contract, and Johnny leaving just opened the door.