Can't believe we are blowing leads like this to the Oilers.
My fear is the Flames don't know how to play with a lead vs the Oil.
Shutting it down doesn't work, so they need to keep pressing and attacking.
I honestly think trying to not have another 9-6 game cost them tonight. Try to shut it down at 3-1 and you just stop your game, inviting Edmonton to start attacking.
Eventually McDavid or the refs will get you; it's better to just stay on the offensive and play the game in their zone.
I agree with you bro. You can't sit back, you still need to be aggressive, for-check and apply pressure but it has to be controlled aggression. I started to notice this in the 3rd against the Stars, especially with Andersson, but with the lead the D and the high F1 really start to gamble in the offensive zone and they are getting caught deep a lot when a pass gets intercepted or deflected or flat out missed, and it fed the Stars their opportunities in the 3rd/OT and its fed Edmonton opportunities in the first 2 games.
Even on that SG today. Ya Andersson you see an opportunity and a lane to jump up, which is fine, but he commits so hard that he gets in so deep that if the pass isn't perfect or if it gets deflected, he's screwed. Feel the play out, pinch if you see a lane, but go in at a more controlled pace where you can skate into the play if the pass is perfect and recover if its not. Instead he goes in full tilt, pass is fumbled and they are off.
Play an attacking brand of hockey, even with the lead, but you need to pick your moments. You can't get caught 3 deep. If the play is there and the pass can be made with little to no risk, by all means go, but they are far to often gambling and its literally just handing the Oilers all their opportunities.
Controlled aggression with the lead please.
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I think against McDavid, this "checking" defensive style where we're always attacking the puck just doesn't work. He's beating guys 1 on 1 because they're being too aggressive. Sometimes you just have to respect the threat and focus on taking away the pass. He's not a good enough shooter to take over a game on the back of it - it's his playmaking. If there isn't an open pass he'll skate himself to death waiting for it. Easier said than done, but I'm sick of watching guys lunge at the puck and get beat.
This.
Lots of plays this series where the defence has tried to “check” him to aggressively and overcommitted on the play. Dube on a goal last game, Zadorov on his goal tonight stand out to me.
He’s really strong on the puck and his skates, so you aren’t going to just “push” him off the puck.
They need to just stay on the right side of him and keep him to
The outside. Second he has inside position on you you’re done and that’s what is happening when they keep overcommitting on him.
Honestly I think the whole team is playing a bit too loose. They need to calm things down and just stick to their game. Chasing the Oilers too much and almost being too aggressive at times.
Not giving the Oilers a lot but they are giving up decent quality of the rush by being too aggressive and getting caught too deep.
Markstrom also needs to get it sorted out. .810 save percentage and -4.53 goals saved above average the last two games is not good enough.
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Is it just me or has Hanifin been brutal for most of the Playoffs?
Yes he has been. I tend to notice him making more bad plays and reads than good. Losing puck battles, bad passes, shoots wide often and a lot of giveaways.
Obvious and said it numerous times that a key part of the series is playing disciplined and staying out the penalty box, so that was a massive miss tonight.
Disappointing to see this team giving up leads in this series. Up 2-0 and 3-1 at home, they have to put this game away…. Team defense and goaltending have to be better.
Complete BS on that no goal call but reality is the Flames should’ve been much better. We are a cup contender and they are not. Markstrom is a vexing candidate and Smith is not. We need to be much better to win the cup. Take it as a lesson learned and go deep.
Lots of plays this series where the defence has tried to “check” him to aggressively and overcommitted on the play. Dube on a goal last game, Zadorov on his goal tonight stand out to me.
Andersson on the first Oilers goal tonight too
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At 3-1 you have to have your backchecking spidey senses on 11!
No risky pinches. Limit extracurricular stuff.
3-1 is where you play mindful hockey, bide your time and wait for the opponent to take their risks to pounce. Not the other way around.
Playing to run the opponent out of the building 6 or 7-1 was the Flames biggest mistake.
At 3-1 you clog it up, slow it down, lean on guys, hit them, close the gaps on them, stand up at the blue line. Chip pucks deep, cycles your 4 lines.
We invited them into pond hockey round 2 instead of just bloody managing our multi-goal lead.
Team is too goal hungry and offensive-minded at times when they don't need to be. Got greedy, paid for it.
It’s where the discipline comes into play.
Tkachuk gets into it with Nurse right after Toffoli’s goal. McDavid scores when it’s 4v4.
Flames aren’t going to win many games against the Oilers where there is only 36 minutes of 5v5 play. Oilers will live on special teams and that’s how they will win.
Flames need to calm their game down and stay away from the after the whistle stuff.
Through 2 games the Oilers have yet to get the only or extra penalty in a scrum but Flames have a couple times.
Play hard but play smart and keep they game at 5v5.
Goaltending needs to be better against the Oilers too. Over the last 14 regular season games the last two seasons against the Oilers we have a .875 save percentage. In the two playoff games now Markstrom is at a .838 save percentage. Not winning anything with that type of goaltending against the Oilers.
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Tkachuk gets into it with Nurse right after Toffoli’s goal. McDavid scores when it’s 4v4.
Flames aren’t going to win many games against the Oilers where there is only 36 minutes of 5v5 play. Oilers will live on special teams and that’s how they will win.
Flames need to calm their game down and stay away from the after the whistle stuff.
Through 2 games the Oilers have yet to get the only or extra penalty in a scrum but Flames have a couple times.
Play hard but play smart and keep they game at 5v5.
You can only hope Matty learns something.
If things are going well for you and you've built a lead, take your lead and skate away.
Getting baited into a scrum by Kane giving the refs an excuse to throw one or either team in the box is just dumb.
Even 4 on 4 benefits the Oilers more than the Flames. Less open ice is what benefits the Flames most. Keep it that way as much and as often as possible.
If a guy is going to play against you while nursing an injury, make his life hell. Don't give him a free pass to actually do things out there while coasting around gingerly.
The bull's horns are right there. It's crazy that the Flames didn't just effing grab them and end these guys.
They're begging to be put out of their misery.
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If things are going well for you and you've built a lead, take your lead and skate away.
Getting baited into a scrum by Kane giving the refs an excuse to throw one or either team in the box is just dumb.
Even 4 on 4 benefits the Oilers more than the Flames. Less open ice is what benefits the Flames most. Keep it that way as much and as often as possible.
It is actually very simple.
If the Flames can't learn to do these things, then they deserve to lose because they will not be the better team.
This stuff is all so basic. Is this not being preached before the games?
And what a brutal turn of events. Tyler scores on the PP and it’s back to 3-1. You think we lock it down in the manner described above. But nope. Chucky gets involved in extra curricular activity with Nurse and that’s it, game, set and match.
Stay disciplined and it’s 2 games for us and likely a short series.
And that folks could be the irreversible turning point.
Sorry but I’m really disappointed in Sutter and the entire group right now.
I'm giving full credit to the Oilers here. They can't beat us in disciplined hockey, so they did a good job turning the game onto maximum chaos. Their top forwards were better at playing through that, being opportunistic and taking full advantage of the numerous defensive breakdowns. Our top line are at their best when the game is organized and controlled, not a mess like this.
It's difficult for both goalies, but Markström is clearly having more trouble staying focused in the chaotic pressure cooker. Smith is probably closer to his comfort zone. I would consider seeing if Vladar handles the chaos better.
This team might not be the midgets they used to be, but we were still the mentally weaker team of the two.
On to game three. It will be interesting to see what things look like on Edmonton. I'm worried that the Flames still aren't mentally tough enough, but the Oilers defensive game is still a bigger mess.
I'm giving full credit to the Oilers here. They can't beat us in disciplined hockey, so they did a good job turning the game onto maximum chaos. Their top forwards were better at playing through that, being opportunistic and taking full advantage of the numerous defensive breakdowns. Our top line are at their best when the game is organized and controlled, not a mess like this.
It's difficult for both goalies, but Markström is clearly having more trouble staying focused in the chaotic pressure cooker. Smith is probably closer to his comfort zone. I would consider seeing if Vladar handles the chaos better.
This team might not be the midgets they used to be, but we were still the mentally weaker team of the two.
On to game three. It will be interesting to see what things look like on Edmonton. I'm worried that the Flames still aren't mentally tough enough, but the Oilers defensive game is still a bigger mess.
Dallas was a test of determination.
Oilers are a test of mental strength/fortitude.
Playing them is like walking down a hallway littered with ghosts and boogeymen. They're can only hurt you if you "play" their game and get distracted from yours. If you don't let them frighten you and do what you know how to do, they just evaporate into thin air.
Either you just walk the walk and keep your focus straight ahead and win, or wander off trying to fend off the phantom tough guys with big beaks and let them win.
Just replicate the entire Dallas series in terms of your play and there's no way Edmonton can beat you in a series.
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Playing them is like walking down a hallway littered with ghosts and boogeymen. They're can only hurt you if you "play" their game and get distracted from yours. If you don't let them frighten you and do what you know how to do, they just evaporate into thin air.
Either you just walk the walk and keep your focus straight ahead and win, or wander off trying to fend off the phantom tough guys with big beaks and let them win.
Just replicate the entire Dallas series in terms of your play and there's no way Edmonton can beat you in a series.
Playing them is like walking down a hallway littered with ghosts and boogeymen. They're can only hurt you if you "play" their game and get distracted from yours. If you don't let them frighten you and do what you know how to do, they just evaporate into thin air.
Either you just walk the walk and keep your focus straight ahead and win, or wander off trying to fend off the phantom tough guys with big beaks and let them win.
Just replicate the entire Dallas series in terms of your play and there's no way Edmonton can beat you in a series.
I'm worried about how the Flames seem unable to dictate the style of play.
The Dallas-series was exactly the style Dallas preferred, and this series is turning into exactly what Oilers prefer.
It's good to be able to play multiple styles of hockey, but it's a lot harder to win a series if you always let the opponent pick the style.
