2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

I don’t really understand why the provinces pretended their hands were tied. As far as I can tell, no this wasn’t needed had the provinces and Ottawa handled their ####.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

If local law enforcement had enforced local laws already on the books, this would not be necessary.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

Sort of depends on what's going on behind the scenes. Are the police (with the tacit support of some provincial leaders) essentially refusing to enforce the law? If so, then I think that's a situation where the Federal Government would probably need to get involved. Do they have good reason to believe that it would be a bloodbath if they started to try to arrest any of them? If so, then focusing on finances (even if it seems like government overreach) might be the sanest option.

So invoking the act might be the best of a lot of bad options. Obviously the various levels of government and the police let things get to this point by not responding properly. It was clear from day 1 that they should have been using progressively tougher measures to clear it out; they should have started with threatening fines/tickets, then started fining/ticketing when they won't move, then threaten commercial/business licenses if they're using commercial equipment to commit a crime, and so on. But for whatever reason (whether it be police abdicating their responsibility, provinces refusing to act, the federal government refusing to use its tools before this) that never happened so here we are.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t really understand why the provinces pretended their hands were tied. As far as I can tell, no this wasn’t needed had the provinces and Ottawa handled their ####.

It politically opportunistic for provinces led by Conservatives to pass the buck to the federal Liberals. The Conservatives have many supporters that hate the Liberals and therefore it is advantageous to play into that. Then they can complain the Trudeau isn't doing anything, but also complain when he is.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

Yes, for Alberta's part it was simply good theater. By Jason Kenney to make Trudeau look bad. Seems to have worked on the rubes, but they're not generally a difficult group to bamboozle, anyway.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t really understand why the provinces pretended their hands were tied. As far as I can tell, no this wasn’t needed had the provinces and Ottawa handled their ####.

Yeah I get that, except Ambassador Bridge was already opened prior to this, so Ontario did their job? (even if more slowly that I would have liked). So enacted to clear them out of Ottawa, probably? And yeah, also not probably a coincidence that Coutts opens after 17 days of nothing much prior to this. Theatre

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yeah I get that, except Ambassador Bridge was already opened prior to this, so Ontario did their job? (even if more slowly that I would have liked). So enacted to clear them out of Ottawa, probably? And yeah, also not probably a coincidence that Coutts opens after 17 days of nothing much prior to this. Theatre

Ottawa is in Ontario.

And I don't get Ford's reluctance to act on this. He usually ends up doing whatever is popular after being dragged along. Is he really that worried about the Randy Hillier PPC-esque party?

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

Might just be message sending for the next group of wing nuts that want to try something.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ottawa is in Ontario.

And I don't get Ford's reluctance to act on this. He usually ends up doing whatever is popular after being dragged along. Is he really that worried about the Randy Hillier PPC-esque party?

Was aware of first.
OPS serves Ottawa. I'm assuming both OPP and RCMP assisted in Ottawa, but under direction of OPS.
Assuming OPS Chief's resignation a result of the failure to manage the situation properly, resulting in the Emergency Act.

[peter12]

I think Trudeau was wise to enact the Emergency Act. His language was extremely careful and precise. It's just time to get things moving again. Pretty ridiculous.

[powderjunkie]

There is a lot to unpack here, but a big question out of all of this should be around our blind faith in law enforcement in general, and whether our existing systems make any sense.

Apparently we can't trust police to handle nuance/manage use of force in conflict situations involving individual(s), yet they find all sorts of wiggle room to avoid using force or enforce directives when it suits them...


If we were to design emergency services from scratch for today's world I don't think it would look anything like what we have now.

[Jason14h]

Ottawa chief of police has resigned

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Ottawa chief of police has resigned

Yeah, he was heavily criticized for acting Slo(w)ly.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think Trudeau was wise to enact the Emergency Act. His language was extremely careful and precise. It's just time to get things moving again. Pretty ridiculous.

This whole outcome has been so obviously predictable and really quite shameful that it took 2+ weeks for someone to step up and calmly, articulately address the situation. Things were made so much worse by a lack of leadership from Ottawa and the province, right down to the mayor and police chief.

The same can be said for Alberta, which we all know of course. But sooner or later, after having allowed so many hardline, extreme participants to filter into these occupations, you run the risk of things reaching an extreme boiling point that results in something really awful happening before it concludes.

[Bagor]

I suppose it would be wishful thinking to hope that something might change fast.

Progress from we have a plan of doing nothing in case we upset the protestors to we have a plan but it's a secret

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493690499298996232

[Fuzz]

I think it's fine if they don't want to share it publicly. Sometimes it's best to keep this under wraps. At least they have something in the works. But if it's helping to run power lines to their dance stage and a pipeline for their trucks, I'm not going to be very impressed.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?

Trudeau gave provincial and local authorities more than enough time to handle this themselves, which they already had all the authority to do, but they refused. So instead of trying for more court orders, which would have probably been ignored like the previous ones, he swung the meanest looking hammer he could find. It's already worked quickly to breakup the Coutts blockade, hopefully the Ottawa occupation won't be far behind

Yet many complain about Trudeau over reaching, as if those same people wouldn't still be complaining today about him doing nothing had he not used the emergency act. For a lot of people there is no way he can win, anything he does is the wrong move, so I applaud him for at least making the hard choice this time to get things back to normal as quickly as possible

[Minnie]

I am curious if the authorities are keeping track if the encampments set up just outside of Ottawa. A lot of sketchy going on there.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sliver

We rolled over, gaped our a-hole, and let them fata us for three weeks.

It's rare that I such see such poetry out in the wild. Thank you.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I am curious if the authorities are keeping track if the encampments set up just outside of Ottawa. A lot of sketchy going on there.

That's Quebec.
Been like that forever.