2022 Formula 1 Season

[Mccree]

I enjoyed the F1 TV app and not missing the some racing with the stupid commercial ls that aTSN has. Well worth the 80 bucks.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mccree

I enjoyed the F1 TV app and not missing the some racing with the stupid commercial ls that aTSN has. Well worth the 80 bucks.

I PVR'd the race. My PVR decided not to record it(got the pre-race though! sigh). So I ended up "borrowing it form the library", and it makes me wonder why I bother paying them.

[DoubleK]

Max is a whiny beotch.

[DownInFlames]

I'm sorry.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1508289996964433926

[powderjunkie]

I was engaged/entertained for the first half(ish) of the race, but the last parts just felt kinda hollow and silly and meaningless with all the DRS crap (but maybe it was just my mood).

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I wouldn’t be surprised if by the time we go to Baku, or Montreal, the DRS zones are shortened considerably, if not completely abandoned. Those long straights will cause too many shenanigans like we saw today. I think they’ll let the drivers rely on the tow.

DRS needs to die, or at least be re-thought. The detection zone stuff is just non-sense, and we are missing out on more creative passing attempts as guys simply wait for DRS zones.


My solution would be a bit more nuanced than this, but the general idea is:

Spoiler!

Everyone gets a base of 20 DRS uses. You can use it anywhere you'd like on the track (though maybe still limited on longest straights)

+ Grid position (pole gets 1 more; 5th gets 5 more; 20th gets 20 more)
Championship standing* (but this doesn't apply to the first two or last 2 races of each season).

So if Leclerc took pole next race he'd be able to use DRS 22 times in the race.

HAM is currently 5th in championship. Say he qualifies in 7th: 20 + 5 + 7 = 32

Latifi is tied for last (15th). Say he qualifies 20th: 20 + 15 + 20 = 55

Obviously you could fiddle around with the exact numbers, but you see the general idea. Maybe quotas get added based on race position at half distance (if not 1/4 and 3/4, too).


There are plenty of potential downsides - though IMO far less than current - but I think it would be an interesting strategic element. You can use it to attack or defend, or save it for push laps before/after pitting. I think it would also see a bit of gamesmanship about if/when to use it compared to the driver you're battling.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I’m a fan of Indycar’s push to pass so I do kinda like that idea. Although I think if cars can pass then maybe it can be completely done way with or just significantly shortened. I’m sure they can also figure out the DRS detection zone issue. It seems to only happen when there are back to back DRS zones. Just get rid of one of them.

[DoubleK]

I'm in the DRS needs to die camp. Now that the cars can follow without killing their tires, the slipstream should be enough for overtaking.

[speede5]

I don't mind DRS and I thought the gamesmanship heading into the zones made it quite interesting. Max needs to stop whining about stuff like that though, is it intentional that they keep playing his radio when he's complaining about something? Always sounds like a baby in there.

The only thing I would change is that if you enter the straight ahead of someone you don't retain DRS, it's fine that the other driver doesn't get it because he was in the lead at the line but when the pass is made before the zone it should be killed. Nothing worse than seeing the wing open up on a car that's already in front.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m a fan of Indycar’s push to pass so I do kinda like that idea. Although I think if cars can pass then maybe it can be completely done way with or just significantly shortened. I’m sure they can also figure out the DRS detection zone issue. It seems to only happen when there are back to back DRS zones. Just get rid of one of them.

I'll start by saying that I like to see a lot of close, tight racing with lots of passing and as such I probably diverge from the purist F1 fan and I think that a push to pass boost system would be awesome. I would maintain DSR though but open up the delta window significantly in order to allow trailing cars an opportunity to catch up more easily.

[Fuzz]

I'd be fine with ditching DRS now that the cars can get close. They have their battery deployment they can play with for strategy and extra power. Focus on that.


I think we are going to see some egregious examples this season where it ruins the race, and they'll re-think it. Not sure which tracks, but I think it will happen.

[KelVarnsen]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1508136462067417099

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'll start by saying that I like to see a lot of close, tight racing with lots of passing and as such I probably diverge from the purist F1 fan and I think that a push to pass boost system would be awesome. I would maintain DSR though but open up the delta window significantly in order to allow trailing cars an opportunity to catch up more easily.

Wait, what? I've never heard of any fan being against this, purist or not.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'll start by saying that I like to see a lot of close, tight racing with lots of passing and as such I probably diverge from the purist F1 fan and I think that a push to pass boost system would be awesome. I would maintain DSR though but open up the delta window significantly in order to allow trailing cars an opportunity to catch up more easily.

The problem with that is if a car is overtaken, they are then artificially kept up. Pursuing cars may then not be able to get int he DRS window, best only on the position of the car 2 up the track. The 1 second window was so they had to get close enough, but with the older cars even if they were faster, could never finish the job. DRS was a little assist to make it happen. It's not supposed to help a car come from way back get close and pass. I think it would get pretty silly pretty quick with that system.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Imagine a world where we get rid of blue flags too! Martin Brundle would be ecstatic.

Although that’s partially a track problem so I don’t see it happening with the abundance of tight, twisty street courses.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Wait, what? I've never heard of any fan being against this, purist or not.

There are many fans that view F1 as primarily an engineering and constructor competition who want to see one or two cars go around the track as quickly as possible. These are the purists that aren't interested in competitive, wheel to wheel racing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Imagine a world where we get rid of blue flags too! Martin Brundle would be ecstatic.

Although that’s partially a track problem so I don’t see it happening with the abundance of tight, twisty street courses.

Not while the cars keep growing, no.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Yeah that’s my next want. Cars closer to the 2008 regs for size and weight. F1 cars shouldn’t be the size of an Escalade.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd be fine with ditching DRS now that the cars can get close. They have their battery deployment they can play with for strategy and extra power. Focus on that.


I think we are going to see some egregious examples this season where it ruins the race, and they'll re-think it. Not sure which tracks, but I think it will happen.

For me, it just cheapens things and makes most overtakes less exciting and feel far less significant. I was way more engaged in the Perez/Leclerc pit strategy battle than the end of race battle (but I'm gonna rewatch it since I think the SC's kinda neutered my interest yesterday, especially since ALO and RIC are my favourite drivers).

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

There are many fans that view F1 as primarily an engineering and constructor competition who want to see one or two cars go around the track as quickly as possible. These are the purists that aren't interested in competitive, wheel to wheel racing.

Perhaps these people do exist, but I think there there is a bit more nuance than that...I see it as instant [but predictable] gratification vs. a slower build-up to a less predictable crescendo. Overtaking does not necessarily = good racing.

1. Guys trading places for 3-4 laps based solely on an artificial advantage to the guy behind
vs.
2. A 10 or 20 lap 'battle' that may or may not actually end in an on-track overtake.

I'll take door #2. Watch Schumacher [unsuccessfully] chasing Alonso at Imola in 2005 over any DRS passing sequence, ever.

Of course we don't want Abu Dhabi 2010 situations...too bad it took 10+ years to realize that no gimmick can fix terrible track [and car] design.

[powderjunkie]

I just finished re-watching the last ~15 laps or so and it really reinforced everything I've already said. The battle was actually pretty good in its entirety, but the overtakes themselves were actually the worst part of it (excluding maybe the one where they both locked up).

Max's final overtake would have been really, really exciting without DRS.

[Fuzz]

How did Max close the gap so much under the VSC? Wasn't he over 4 seconds back? Was LeClerc just drving too slow?