Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That was the only choice left. Process of deduction.

Averall, I agree, we can't know all the details. That's why saying "losing him is 100% on Treliving" is a huge overstatement.

Where did I say losing him was 100% on Treliving?

I like Treliving.

Your process of deduction is quite poor. Back to the drawing board. We have no idea of the choices available. We never do.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is if the Flames are willing to go $9 or $9.5M for 7 or 8 years that this gets done with Gaudreau.

But I think they are trying for low $8M range.

7 years won’t get it done. It’s the only advantage Calgary has.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fire

Maybe we should wait to see if Gaudreau disappoints once again in the playoffs before giving him $11 million per season.

Too late then.


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[Jay Random]

If it comes down to it, I suspect that at the age he is now, Gaudreau would rather get 8 x $10 million from the Flames than 7 x $11 million from another team. Either way, his next contract will be a 35-plus deal, which means he'll probably be signing a year at a time for considerably lower pay. More guaranteed money on this contract should probably outweigh the chance of gaining the difference in his 35-year-old season.

[djsFlames]

I think he will be good till 35.

Not PPG good. But not far under that. Too cerebral not to continue being a points magnet beyond his body's prime years.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Fire

Maybe we should wait to see if Gaudreau disappoints once again in the playoffs before giving him $11 million per season.

He's the engine that gets them to the playoffs when they do. So playoff performance is almost irrelevant (as much as it matters to the fans). This team needs him. That is if it has no interest in going the lottery route to rebuild the rebuild, which with Marksttom locked in looks unlikely.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau's playoff numbers aren't even bad considering the help he has

yeah its worse than regular season numbers but the competition is also higher

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny Gaudreau is not signing for $9M.

The Flyers would sign him for $10M without blinking. They'd punt Giroux like it's 4th and 30.

No they wouldn't. Giroux is their Captain and a huge part of their team, he isn't going anywhere.

[djsFlames]

I have a feeling he will perform much better should they make it.

Bigger and tougher team, less to fear. No dirty play goes unanswered. Linemate draws the ire of opponents and takes the brunt of that attention. He's playing bigger and stronger than we've seen as well.

No guarantees of course, but I don't see him getting deterred as easily this time around.

Honestly makes sense it was tougher to succeed with pedestrian guy Monahan and x scrub on their wing over the years.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by blender

CP is the home of the fear-driven narrative.

That said, if Johnny Hockey goes UFA, he will garner plenty of interest. He would improve every team in the league. Not every team could find a way to fit him under the cap, but I believe most would try.

Philly has Giroux's contract ending next year.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What we should do is give him another elite player to work with, along with $11M.

If only there was ever a chance.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No they wouldn't. Giroux is their Captain and a huge part of their team, he isn't going anywhere.

Giroux will be 34 in January. So he’s going to be an old 34 when he starts his new deal.

Philly hasn’t prioritized an extension for him - he was quoted just last week saying “I don’t think about it, no I’m kidding of course I think about it” which is always what you say to the media when a negotiation is going the way you hope.

Johnny is 5 years younger, and he’s better. How much better is open to interpretation, but he’s more productive by the numbers.

It’s not an unrealistic possibility.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Where did I say losing him was 100% on Treliving?

I like Treliving.

Your process of deduction is quite poor. Back to the drawing board. We have no idea of the choices available. We never do.


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You didn’t say it. The poster I responded to initially (Vinny) did. Then I said for all we knew Treliving offered a reasonable deal after indications he was willing to stay, and he didn’t sign, which wouldn’t then be on him. Then you jumped in.

But the deduction is quite correct. Go back and look at your two or three posts. Signing him to a reasonable deal was eliminated as I said, and you acknowledged a trade might not have been possible. What’s left?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You didn’t say it. The poster I responded to initially (Vinny) did. Then I said for all we knew Treliving offered a reasonable deal after indications he was willing to stay, and he didn’t sign, which wouldn’t then be on him. Then you jumped in.

But the deduction is quite correct. Go back and look at your two or three posts. Signing him to a reasonable deal was eliminated as I said, and you acknowledged a trade might not have been possible. What’s left?

What’s left?

It’s not impossible that Treliving found out that Johnny would not accept what he considered the maximum amount he was willing to pay. Treliving them went to Edwards to get consent to trade him, and it was refused. So, Treliving is going with his only option presented to him.

Not saying that is the case, but there are always other possibilities.


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[Coach]

Love Johnny. Wouldn’t blame him at all if he wanted to make a childhood dream come true and play for Philly. Don’t really blame any players for using the leverage they can to get what they want. It’s not like teams treat them with much loyalty. I also don’t blame him for hard balling while he can if he wants a big pay day. Treliving hardballed him when he could so why not? No bad blood just business. Johnny deserves to be paid, I’m happy to do it if he wants to stay.

Tkachuk I’m not loving his cost. Would have been ecstatic to see him traded for Eichel, but alas, here we are. We do need a top end player that can keep up with MacKinnon, McDavid, and now Eichel. Don’t know where he comes from. Maybe Markstrom can be that xfactor? Maybe Kylington can become something of a Karlsson? Things happen so who knows.

[Strange Brew]

Or maybe Treliving is struggling with deciding how much Gaudreau is worth and how much to attribute his current play to a) contract year b) an excellent coach c) better linemates d) temporary hot streak or e) a permanent change in Gaudreau's approach.

I don't think it's an easy situation for the GM but I'm also not going to look for reasons to suggest it is out of his hands.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If it comes down to it, I suspect that at the age he is now, Gaudreau would rather get 8 x $10 million from the Flames than 7 x $11 million from another team. Either way, his next contract will be a 35-plus deal, which means he'll probably be signing a year at a time for considerably lower pay. More guaranteed money on this contract should probably outweigh the chance of gaining the difference in his 35-year-old season.

Is there enough difference in those deals for him to really have a preference? Like 3 million is alot but we're talking 117 mill vs 120 mill career earnings. That amount could be made up in taxes, just about anywhere outside of Canada.

[Heavy Jack]

I honestly think a big bargaining chip with Tkachuk is the Captaincy for the flames because let’s face it if he did go to another team when/if he hits free agency there is a pretty very low chance he gets captaincy for them right away and I think this is something that means a great deal to Matt. Something to consider? Do you think it could play into him signing long term deal with the Flames?

[Jiri Hrdina]

If only that was a bargaining chip
I think for him it’s all about maximizing the dollars

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

What’s left?

It’s not impossible that Treliving found out that Johnny would not accept what he considered the maximum amount he was willing to pay. Treliving them went to Edwards to get consent to trade him, and it was refused. So, Treliving is going with his only option presented to him.

Not saying that is the case, but there are always other possibilities.


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That’s what I’m saying. If it’s not this, it may be signing at an unreasonable price. Though I seriously doubt ownership would refuse to trade a player if the player was demanding too much money. That’s not Murray Edwards.