[News] Kyle Beach reveals himself as John Doe, speaks out to TSN's Rick Westhead about abuse

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So I've heard people saying they should strip them of their cup win for 2010, and I agree completely with that. Unfortunately, most of these guys will still be considered cup champs due to subsequent victories a couple of years later, and you can't strip them of those titles without also affecting players on those teams who weren't part of this saga.

One thing you can do, though, is this: no one who was on that team gets into the HHOF. Not a single player or coach, no one who was with the organization. As far as hockey history is concerned, this is the only thing that team gets to be remembered for.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I don't know.

I would assume most players probably did speak to the investigators, and many probably just said what they said in public "we didn't know. tunnel vision, kinda heard rumors, playoff focus, blah blah." heck, look at the post above mine. The players seem too stupid to just keep their mouths shut.

Would anyone know if the investigators can legally say who refused to participate?
I don't see why not as they wouldn't be giving up confidential information by just saying "So and so refused to speak"

The reason I said Keith was that he was asked if he talked to the investigators and he said no. The implication was he wasn't asked but now I'm wondering whether he was asked and didn't respond or refused. The report actually said that there was a far larger number that simply didn't respond.

[Flame On]

There's something sickening too about these young players (I mean relatively young) going out defending themselves on camera and being allowed to blunder around in their response. All while fully complicit people like Quenville get a delightful behind the scenes scheduled interview.
Not excusing the response from the like of Toews etc. but it does sort of feel like feeding them to the wolves while the execs get the full lawyered, communications committee, treatment.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flame On

There's something sickening too about these young players (I mean relatively young) going out defending themselves on camera and being allowed to blunder around in their response. All while fully complicit people like Quenville get a delightful behind the scenes scheduled interview.
Not excusing the response from the like of Toews etc. but it does sort of feel like feeding them to the wolves while the execs get the full lawyered, communications committee, treatment.

They fibbed a Covid 19 positive test (I can’t prove this, but it’s pretty ducking convenient) to get Kane and Toews out of game day interviews… they had time to prepare something. Anything. Anything other than what they said.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Did anyone catch Fan960 this morning for their take? I listened from about 7:30 on, and not a peep from the guys. I realize they usually are more light-hearted, but this is THE story today.

[mikephoen]

Thinking knowledge of this was contained to the Blackhawks organization is pretty naive. If everyone in the Blackhawks dressing room knew, then by training camp 2011 most players in the NHL would have known. Friedman and Mackenzie would have known. Management of most teams would have known. The video coach of the current Stanley Cup champions didn’t get another NHL job, do you think that was a coincidence?

This isn’t just a Blackhawks problem, it’s a professional sports problem. Or maybe even an organized sports problem, because you know (or should know) that stuff like this is also covered up at the amateur level as well. All in the name of winning.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Here’s the twitter image. Maybe it’s just me but I dislike tweets with text images, you can never see all the text without clicking on the tweet, which redirects to twitter and then clicking again to open the image. Not OPs fault, just the way twitter scales images in tweets.

Did the team's PR department not prepare Toews for media questions? It's not like it would be hard to predict their questions. Was "emphasize that the people in charge, the ones who failed to provide a safe working environment, are still good people" really the message they wanted him to hammer home?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Did anyone catch Fan960 this morning for their take? I listened from about 7:30 on, and not a peep from the guys. I realize they usually are more light-hearted, but this is THE story today.

I think it probably for the best that they didn't have some of those guys speak on it.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The reason I said Keith was that he was asked if he talked to the investigators and he said no. The implication was he wasn't asked but now I'm wondering whether he was asked and didn't respond or refused. The report actually said that there was a far larger number that simply didn't respond.

I didn't know that.

Think your guess is right and he probably was one, although I don't understand as a mature adult why you wouldn't speak to it.
But he's also anti-vax so you can question his judgement on a lot of things.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

You misspelled “complicit.”



The NHL insiders in the media should be held accountable too. There’s no way that Rick Westhead and Katie Strang were the first media members to find out about this - how come it took 11 years to come out?

I don't believe that either Principle or Spector would qualify as complicit. Neither one is connected, and both are too dumb to know much of anything at any time.

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[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Thinking knowledge of this was contained to the Blackhawks organization is pretty naive. If everyone in the Blackhawks dressing room knew, then by training camp 2011 most players in the NHL would have known. Friedman and Mackenzie would have known. Management of most teams would have known. The video coach of the current Stanley Cup champions didn’t get another NHL job, do you think that was a coincidence?

This is a huge stretch to try to paint the entire league of executives and media as directly complicit in the coverup and denial of this. A video coach is not someone who is kept tabs on. I doubt people like Friedman and Mackenzie could even name half of the leagues current video coaches let alone keep tabs on what's happened to past video coaches.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Azure

To be fair, the Edmonton media is just doing what their corporate overlords are telling them to do. Basically the same thing Hrudley, McClean, Friedman, Bieska and the gang at CBC & Sportsnet have been doing for months while we were all sitting here shocked at what was coming out and wondering why Westhead isn't getting any help in pushing the story.

This is besides the point - but CBC just carries the Sportsnet feed as part of the deal. All the HNIC media are employed by Rogers/Sportsnet

[GioforPM]

I think it's less a "corporate overlord" issue as opposed to a hockey culture issue. No one wanted to be the first to throw a Q or Bowman etc under the bus. Plus guys like Friedman are told things in confidence and can't blow it without risking access.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

One thing you can do, though, is this: no one who was on that team gets into the HHOF. Not a single player or coach, no one who was with the organization. As far as hockey history is concerned, this is the only thing that team gets to be remembered for.

I agree completely, but Patrick Kane is one of the best American born players to ever play in the NHL. That alone will ensure he gets into the HHOF, the NHL values brand recognition in the US more than anything else

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I agree completely, but Patrick Kane is one of the best American born players to ever play in the NHL. That alone will ensure he gets into the HHOF, the NHL values brand recognition in the US more than anything else

Isn't the HHOF an independent body, though? I mean, Brian Burke is on the selection committee - if he gets on TV and says "none of these guys are getting in the Hall on my watch", that's pretty much the ball game. If they later go back on that and induct someone from that team it would be a PR disaster.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't believe that either Principle or Spector would qualify as complicit. Neither one is connected, and both are too dumb to know much of anything at any time.

There is such a thing as complicity after the fact - attempting to either obfuscate or excuse or otherwise rehabilitate someone who was directly complicit.

I think it's quite a bit of a stretch to apply that concept to Principe or Spector - I would rather just say that what they're doing there is abhorrent and demonstrates exactly the type of "journalists" or "reporters" they are, which is to say that they have absolutely no integrity. Proof if proof were needed, and all that.

[Ped]

The cynical part in me says based on what we've seen before, there will still be no meaningful change.


Bowman was allowed to resign.
Cheveldayoff is still employeed.
Quenneville is still employed, and even coached last night.

No statement from the NHL.
Not one single person has apologized to Beach, either publicly or privately (That we know of).
Toews and Kane and Keith with their ridiculous statments and support for Bowman and MacIsaac and everyone else.
The fact that the majority of Hawks fans seem to be okay to still support this team "because the bad guys are gone now." (This isn't a slam at Blackhawks fans in particular, because I'm more than sure that the same would hold true of any franchise's fans).


It's clear to me that the NHL and everyone involved is just trying to weather the storm, realizing that people will move on to something else, some other news. Because that's how it works.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Isn't the HHOF an independent body, though? I mean, Brian Burke is on the selection committee - if he gets on TV and says "none of these guys are getting in the Hall on my watch", that's pretty much the ball game. If they later go back on that and induct someone from that team it would be a PR disaster.

Well I don't think Burke or anyone else from the selection committee will do that, the old boys club mentality is too far entrenched for someone with actual power to take a stand like that

[Textcritic]

Marek and Friedman speaking about the aftermath now on SN radio. It's turning out to be quite a good discussion.

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[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Did anyone catch Fan960 this morning for their take? I listened from about 7:30 on, and not a peep from the guys. I realize they usually are more light-hearted, but this is THE story today.

Talk about Halloween costumes and candy was the story of the day for tho
se clowns!

[Ped]

I should add that even if Q and Chevy got fired, for it to be meaningful, it had to have happened already.