I think we can slow the hype train on Phillips for a bit. I was on and wanted to see him called up earlier, but his recent production has tempered my expectations a lot. An intriguing prospect for sure, but after a fast start, he now sits with only 16 points in 22 games.
For a player that small, he needs to be producing offense consistently. Mangiapane and Dube never went through dry spells like this after their rookie year in the AHL. That's probably a good barometer on where Phillips stands.
I don't think we have to worry about Seattle picking Phillips. Surely, the Flames have better assets to choose from.
Well, assuming Lucic waives, I don't see any signed or RFA forwards who would be more attractive - really it's him, Gawdin and all the UFAs. On D it's Gio and Kylington. It really depends what they are looking for. I big name at a big salary who's severely declining? A young D who seems to have some tools but hasn't made it? Or an interesting prospect who has skill but is completely untried in the NHL (and who has a significant size issue).
Also, Ryan is from Washington, so there is a bit of a chance an Engelland situation arises.
Well, assuming Lucic waives, I don't see any signed or RFA forwards who would be more attractive - really it's him, Gawdin and all the UFAs. On D it's Gio and Kylington. It really depends what they are looking for. I big name at a big salary who's severely declining? A young D who seems to have some tools but hasn't made it? Or an interesting prospect who has skill but is completely untried in the NHL (and who has a significant size issue).
Also, Ryan is from Washington, so there is a bit of a chance an Engelland situation arises.
I think Kylington is probably the better and safer asset.
It does sound like Treliving is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Gio though; he alluded to something like this in a recent interview.
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I think Kylington is probably the better and safer asset.
It does sound like Treliving is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Gio though; he alluded to something like this in a recent interview.
As much as I like Gio, I don't like that notion. Let him go, use the space for something good, and if he still has anything left, sign him as a UFA the next year. Lord knows the Flames could use some cap room.
Honestly if it comes down to having to give an asset to Seattle to keep Gio then just leave Tanev unprotected and let him go, or see if a team wants to trade for him prior to the expansion draft. (This of course is all assuming that the Flames management won't disrespect Gio by leaving him unprotected, which tends to be my belief)
I like the guy, but he was a free UFA signing that we got good value out of this year, but that contract isn't likely to age well either.
Getting out of the final 3 years and $4M plus of that deal likely won't be seen as a bad thing in the near future.
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I think we can slow the hype train on Phillips for a bit. I was on and wanted to see him called up earlier, but his recent production has tempered my expectations a lot. An intriguing prospect for sure, but after a fast start, he now sits with only 16 points in 22 games.
For a player that small, he needs to be producing offense consistently. Mangiapane and Dube never went through dry spells like this after their rookie year in the AHL. That's probably a good barometer on where Phillips stands.
I don't think we have to worry about Seattle picking Phillips. Surely, the Flames have better assets to choose from.
I think you are misunderstanding my post. I also don't think Phillips is picked by the Kraken, but why would the Flames as an organization want to cause that problem (by playing him now with the possibility that he excels on the Flames) I would much rather him hone his game in the AHL for this year.
If he is called up, I would hope they play him on a line that is suited to his style of play.
If he plays on the Flames this year and does pretty well, I know who I would be considering over Kylington for the Kraken.
Honestly if it comes down to having to give an asset to Seattle to keep Gio then just leave Tanev unprotected and let him go.
I like the guy, but he was a free UFA signing that we got good value out of this year, but that contract isn't likely to age well either.
Getting out of the final 3 years and $4M plus of that deal won't be a bad thing.
Tanev is the best defensive D I've seen in a long long time. It's a rare asset.
And we are talking about 1 year of no Gio (and no $6.75M). He's going to either retire or sign somewhere for super cheap afterwards, maybe Calgary.
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Great return. Now the fanbase can move on from the endless wrangling over what Bennet is, was, or could be. Was so much digital ink ever spilt over a bottom-six winger?
Sven Baertschi was close.
The wrangling was expected. Here was a guy who was the highest drafted player in club history, after we were spoiled with a surprise in Monahan and Johnny.
I'm not ashamed to admit I think this trio was going to lead us to the promised land.
The guy who projected to be the best of the three turned out to be a bottom six player instead who only showed glimpses of star power in the playoffs. Disappointing is an understatement.
I'm also glad he's gone though as both parties needed a change. Guess we're cheering for the Leafs and Panteros now.
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Honestly if it comes down to having to give an asset to Seattle to keep Gio then just leave Tanev unprotected and let him go, or see if a team wants to trade for him prior to the expansion draft. (This of course is all assuming that the Flames management won't disrespect Gio by leaving him unprotected, which tends to be my belief)
I like the guy, but he was a free UFA signing that we got good value out of this year, but that contract isn't likely to age well either.
Getting out of the final 3 years and $4M plus of that deal likely won't be seen as a bad thing in the near future.
Just...no.
They have no one else to provide what Tanev does at this point.
And what, in his game, looks like it is anywhere near dropping off?
He is only 31.
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Tanev is the best defensive D I've seen in a long long time. It's a rare asset.
And we are talking about 1 year of no Gio (and no $6.75M). He's going to either retire or sign somewhere for super cheap afterwards, maybe Calgary.
Personally I'd leave Gio exposed, but I don't see this organization doing that to it's captain. (I hope I'm wrong and they just leave Gio exposed with no protection).
IMO if it comes down to having to move a strong pick/prospect to have the Kraken not take Gio, or leaving Tanev exposed, then I'd just expose Tanev before spending a 1st or something similar to protect Gio/Tanev.
He was great this year. But he's going to be 32, is a guy that struggled with injuries in the past, and has 3 years at $4.5M left.
I'm still worried about the last two years of that deal, so if Seattle wants to take that contract off our hands then I'd be okay with losing Tanev.
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