[News] Flames name Geoff Ward and Ryan Huska as assistant coaches

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Oh and as an aside ...

I find I'm a little pissier lately so apologies in advance when I eventually unload on someone!

this is definitely a poop joke

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

In all fairness a best on best tournament had four men guide them and the head coach of the Calgary Flames was one of those guys.

That's pretty hard to ignore if you're tossing out unheralded and unproven.

Hey, I am apprehensive about the coaching staff, but I am very open-minded about them, and at least feel that they will be an improvement over the last staff. How much is the question.


However, I find it incredibly difficult to be condescending to posters here who don't feel the same way. Sure, Peters was one of the coaches on the 'best on best' tournament - definitely a huge accolade for him - but his NHL resume - the job he was hired for - isn't without question.


Flames have had their fair share of really heralded coaches outside of the NHL who never did much in the NHL, so there is definitely room for people questioning the decisions being made. Heck, the Flames hired the best mind in all of hockey decades ago and the team didn't do well under him. They hired the best coach not in the NHL - the next great coach just needed a chance - and it bombed.



I am personally buoyed by the fact that the best coach in Flames history was unheralded as well.



You just never know how things like this work out, as the NHL is a totally different animal than international tournaments. Remember a couple of Olympics ago, if Babcock wasn't able to coach, then it was going to be Brian Sutter stepping in and coaching that team. He hasn't had another sniff of the NHL.


Coaching is a very fickle business, and even very experienced NHL staff with a lot more proven success than Peters has had sometimes bomb on a team. Many new 'up and coming' coaches never seem able to lead a team anywhere. It is a tough job, so I think it is fair to criticize moves.



Besides, what would be this place if it was just purely high fives and accolades? I do think that some posters are a bit overboard in their pessimism, but it is 100% fair to have reservations about this coaching staff until we actually see it work. I know that I am staying on the fence - cautiously optimistic on a good day, though no longer really negative about it - until I actually see what transpires over the course of the season.


I just don't see the point in begrudging a poster for stating that Peters is unheralded, as his first 4 years as a head coach in the NHL has been 4 straight years outside of the playoffs. He may indeed be the next great coach in the NHL, or this may be his last gig as a head coach. Nobody really knows that.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Even a .500 start through the 1st 10 will make CP toxic

Maybe but it will probably be a few select posters who tend to be irrational over exaggerating. Unfortunately we do have some hidden trolls.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Maybe but it will probably be a few select posters who tend to be irrational over exaggerating. Unfortunately we do have some hidden trolls.

I think the track record of the last 15-20 years just seems to make it hard to be optimistic. A bad start with this franchise just ends up being a bad year. Flames are a bottom 10 team success wise over the last 10/15 years and I think it's hard to put faith in the team. At what point do they just fire Ken king who seems to hire the same type of management team over and over again!

Hopefully this year is different. If not I fear that I will be one of the negative Nancy's if we start poorly again :/

Totally sucks as I love the Flames more than any other team I cheer for (baseball,football) and they bring me the least amount of joy...

Oh well it's just a game I guess

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I just don't see the point in begrudging a poster for stating that Peters is unheralded, as his first 4 years as a head coach in the NHL has been 4 straight years outside of the playoffs. He may indeed be the next great coach in the NHL, or this may be his last gig as a head coach. Nobody really knows that.

is questioning his use of "unheralded" really begrudging? Or is it pointing out I disagree given the heights to which he's coached?

and I love debate, its all good.

I don't like people that seem to tell you what you're thinking or summarize everyone that disagrees with them as biased, fanboys, or kidding themselves.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Next order of business is to quit pissing around with PTO's and get some chemistry going on the roster in the preseason.

Please say this again!

I hate when we do experiments, or reclamation projects with a team that's not established or ready. I hope they set the most obvious lines and go with what works and not worry about round holes. square pegs. Too often with GG experiments, or bench poor management factored into losses when whats needed is as many wins as possible by the end of the season.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Sec218

You might see more PTOs this year with the team going to China.

Flames should have enough bodies to send an NHL ready roster to China while letting prospects and AHL bound guys fill in the gaps for that week of exhibition games.

But if they do sign a few PTOs for that purpose, I hope they're gone the moment the China trip is over and the team is back here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Next order of business is to quit pissing around with PTO's and get some chemistry going on the roster in the preseason.

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Please say this again!

I hate when we do experiments, or reclamation projects with a team that's not established or ready. I hope they set the most obvious lines and go with what works and not worry about round holes. square pegs. Too often with GG experiments, or bench poor management factored into losses when whats needed is as many wins as possible by the end of the season.

Preach on!

I am so sick and tired of the Flames stumbling out of the gates and then having to make the points up later on in the season.

Figure out your team and get them playing together and get it going.

Make like a Boyscout and Be Prepared.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think the track record of the last 15-20 years just seems to make it hard to be optimistic. A bad start with this franchise just ends up being a bad year. Flames are a bottom 10 team success wise over the last 10/15 years and I think it's hard to put faith in the team. At what point do they just fire Ken king who seems to hire the same type of management team over and over again!

Hopefully this year is different. If not I fear that I will be one of the negative Nancy's if we start poorly again :/

Totally sucks as I love the Flames more than any other team I cheer for (baseball,football) and they bring me the least amount of joy...

Oh well it's just a game I guess

Well try not to live in the past We have each other a strong Flames community, we have a team with some good pieces to be optimistic about. Predicting your going to be a negative Nancy is a brave thing to do, but you've got to buckle down and grit and bare it with the good guys!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec218

You might see more PTOs this year with the team going to China.

Yeah but those usually aren't serious ones - just roster fillers for NA preseason games.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Sec218

You might see more PTOs this year with the team going to China.

I'm pretty sure the core will be going to China, with the scrubs staying in town. Doesn't mean they will make the team -- fortunately, I think we'll get an exemption on the "minimum vet" requirement meaning more young guys and less vets on PTO's simply to meet the quota.

Interestingly, our best PTO signing (Versteeg) was a guy who didn't even spend the preseason with the Flames...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I'm pretty sure the core will be going to China, with the scrubs staying in town. Doesn't mean they will make the team -- fortunately, I think we'll get an exemption on the "minimum vet" requirement meaning more young guys and less vets on PTO's simply to meet the quota.

Interestingly, our best PTO signing (Versteeg) was a guy who didn't even spend the preseason with the Flames...

So was our second best (Morrison).

[FlamingHomer]

So is Sigalet safe or can he still be replaced? I would think even the casual observer would notice he isn't doing much to develop our goalies.

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[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Flames should have enough bodies to send an NHL ready roster to China while letting prospects and AHL bound guys fill in the gaps for that week of exhibition games.

But if they do sign a few PTOs for that purpose, I hope they're gone the moment the China trip is over and the team is back here.

Except the NHL mandates a certain level of NHL experience that needs to dress for exhibition games, hence the PTOs.

15.4 Exhibition Games.
(c) A Club shall be permitted to dress a minimum of eight (8) veterans for any Exhibition Game. For purposes of this Section 15.4(c), a veteran shall constitute either:
(1) a forward or defenseman who played in thirty (30) NHL Games during the previous season,
(2) a goaltender who either dressed in fifty (50) or more NHL Games or played in thirty (30) or more NHL Games in the previous season,
(3) a first round draft choice from the most recent year's Entry Draft, or
(4) any Player who has played one-hundred (100) or more career NHL Games.

We don't have a first rounder so that gimmie is off the table. I don't think we make the goalie requirement so I think we will have one PTO goalie.

[Mattman]

Ward looks like a good hire. Forgot who ran the numbers (a few pages back) but Ward is trending upwards in a league where the PP % is getting higher.

No, input on Huska but if he is truly an ace on the defense side of coaching then I'm all for it.

For me I could care less personally who the assistants are because at the end of the day it's the coaches job to take control and include everyone on the team (players and personnel) to buy into the system he has planned.

So I will wait and hold judgment on Peters and the coaching staff until they have actually coached some games for us this season (around game 41).

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Except the NHL mandates a certain level of NHL experience that needs to dress for exhibition games, hence the PTOs.

Maybe a dumb question on my part but do we know of any pre season games set for before the China trip? Last year the first pre season games for the Canucks were the ones in China and this is just the start of the camp.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

So is Sigalet safe or can he still be replaced? I would think even the casual observer would notice he isn't doing much to develop our goalies.

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Im not too sure what Sigalet and Marty have done to warrant being kept as coaches on the roster.

If I was Tre I would have let the entire staff go and let Bill hire everyone he sees fit.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

So is Sigalet safe or can he still be replaced? I would think even the casual observer would notice he isn't doing much to develop our goalies.

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You mean like the two rookie goalies we weren't comfortable relying on at the start of the season, but whom we all seem to have penciled into the backup role for next year?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

So is Sigalet safe or can he still be replaced? I would think even the casual observer would notice he isn't doing much to develop our goalies.

I would actually counter by saying that even the most invested viewers likely do not have the faintest clue about what Sigalet is doing or not doing when it comes to coaching and developing goalies. The most serious problem the Flames seemed to have had with goaltending last year was Mike Smith's inexplicably bad performance on home ice. Is that a coaching issue?

[SAS]

Geoff Ward
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