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The Boy Wonder · 04-20-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

What would AV or Sutter do differently than Peters that would make the Flames a playoff lock versus squeaking in?

Torts sometimes has a successful short lifespan. He had a dismal short lifespan in Vancouver.

They would implement a different system than the boring GG like system Peters will bring in... May not make us a playoff lock but it sure as hell will be less depressing to watch

DeluxeMoustache · 04-20-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Friedman had a good point...they spend 15-20M less than anyone in their division and you blame the coach for their lack of success?

Can you find 15-20 M worth of whipping boys on Calgary that a lot of CP would blame for a lot of their woes, and from whom you would walk away today?

stone hands · 04-20-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Computerjungle

why cant he have that opinion? Thats whats great about being a fan, to have different opinions. I may not agree with what he says but i agree with him being critical of his team.

you are allowed to have an opinion if it's a well informed opinion

everything else is ignorance

outside of a handful of people on this board i find it extremely unlikely the vast majority of people here calling this a horrible decision have watched more than 2 carolina games per year since peters was hired.

its okay to say: i have no idea what im talking about, but i hate this decision because he's not AV or sutter - but to say you know anything about his coaching style or abilities by simply looking at hockeydb is asinine. the guy is reportedly sought after by multiple nhl clubs and has coached team canada internationally. i say if this is the coach BT decides to hang his job on, then we should at least wait to see his first game before condemning peters. he might be a ####ty coach, but there's no way for us to know that before any games are played

shutout · 04-20-2018, 02:14 PM

But at least we wont have to worry about this with Peters.

colbym72 · 04-20-2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

They would implement a different system than the boring GG like system Peters will bring in... May not make us a playoff lock but it sure as hell will be less depressing to watch

Have you watched Sutter hockey for LA? Yes winning made up for it but that is BORING hockey

GioforPM · 04-20-2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Badger was hired on the heels of Herb Brooks' Olympic success and subsequent NY Rangers position. Back then, it was unconventional to tap into the American College system for coaches (players were already finding success). Johnson was pretty much considered the next best US College coach available. Some might have seen it as a crazy hire, but many more at the time viewed it as cutting-edge. "Systems" and motivational techniques were becoming more prevalent then as well.

Nope. It was the reverse.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/37-f...ed/c-289270850

Hiring a college coach has only ever happened three times IIRC: Brooks, Badger Bob and Hakstol.

shutout · 04-20-2018, 02:16 PM

This is the type of coaching we can expect from Peters.
No wonder the season is already lost.

the2bears · 04-20-2018, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Computerjungle

why cant he have that opinion? Thats whats great about being a fan, to have different opinions. I may not agree with what he says but i agree with him being critical of his team.

Why is this even a thing? No one has actually said he can't have an opinion. The whole thread is full of different opinions.

That doesn't make them equal, though. This is perhaps one of the greatest misconceptions about opinions: that they're equal. They're not, some are more valid than others.

But back to your statement. He can have that opinion, and someone else can comment on said opinion. Such a comment might include how it would be impossible to actually know the information in the opinion.

This whole thread has gone crazy. A coaching hire has not even been announced yet.

The Boy Wonder · 04-20-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by colbym72

Have you watched Sutter hockey for LA? Yes winning made up for it but that is BORING hockey

From interviews and comments Darryl has made it seems that he has really analyzed the new NHL and understands the transition game that is needed and has developed in the last year or two.

Flames Draft Watcher · 04-20-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Computerjungle

why cant he have that opinion? Thats whats great about being a fan, to have different opinions. I may not agree with what he says but i agree with him being critical of his team.

Its not an opinion, he's pretending to know a future he can't possibly know. He said its a lateral move at best. At best Peters could lead us the Stanley Cup which would be a huge upgrade on GG. He's ruling out completely the possibility that Peters could be an upgrade on GG. That's stupid and he can't possibly know that, none of us can.

If he wanted to say, I doubt this guy will be an upgrade on GG then that's an opinion that's certainly fair to have. Phrasing matters, words matter. If you don't want to be called out for a BS statement then don't phrase it so poorly.

dissentowner · 04-20-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stone hands

you are allowed to have an opinion if it's a well informed opinion

everything else is ignorance

outside of a handful of people on this board i find it extremely unlikely the vast majority of people here calling this a horrible decision have watched more than 2 carolina games per year since peters was hired.

its okay to say: i have no idea what im talking about, but i hate this decision because he's not AV or sutter - but to say you know anything about his coaching style or abilities by simply looking at hockeydb is asinine. the guy is reportedly sought after by multiple nhl clubs and has coached team canada internationally. i say if this is the coach BT decides to hang his job on, then we should at least wait to see his first game before condemning peters. he might be a ####ty coach, but there's no way for us to know that before any games are played

It is also not ok to say despite the numbers or the fact the guy has won nothing on a criminally underrated Carolina team he has shown absolutely nothing. I have given my reasons why multiple times and it is not just because he is not AV or Sutter. I even said I would rather have kept GG. Even if his coaching record outside the NHL is not impressive but that is ok, he is gonna lead us to the promised land! Lol.

KootenayFlamesFan · 04-20-2018, 02:17 PM

Jeez, quite a few debbie downers in here considering the guy has yet to be hired, nevermind coach a single game for the team.

I don't get the point of throwing in the towel before we see what he can do and also what roster moves Treliving makes. I'm actually kind of excited for next season already. Hopefully if Peters does get hired he'll bring someone in that can run a competent PP. That in itself should be a big upgrade.

shutout · 04-20-2018, 02:18 PM

Well at least this is good.
We don't want to use challenges in Calgary either.

hockey.modern · 04-20-2018, 02:19 PM

News Update

John Shannon @JSportsnet
Told nothing to announce in Calgary. Nothing imminent. Nothing is done.

Kolbe31 · 04-20-2018, 02:21 PM

Imagine being a Bruins fan and watching your team hire a former coach of your biggest rival, and someone who had no history of success.

There are hockey people smarter than us that seem to think Peters is a good coach.

shutout · 04-20-2018, 02:21 PM

WIN/WIN Situation

Win: Bill Peters leaves Carolina Hurricanes so they can make the playoffs next year.
Win: Calgary Flames hire Bill Peters and we already have this quote available so we don't have to think up a new one when we miss the playoffs next year.

Looch City · 04-20-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

News Update

John Shannon @JSportsnet
Told nothing to announce in Calgary. Nothing imminent. Nothing is done.

Alright everyone can now breath, probably lock this thread for now?

theinfinitejar · 04-20-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shutout

Well at least this is good.
We don't want to use challenges in Calgary either.

Can you stop?

Buff · 04-20-2018, 02:23 PM

I don't know if he's the right guy. I know next to nothing about him. I'm not impressed with the possibility, but how can I be when I know next to nothing about him? I see AV, I see Sutter, maybe even Trotz if things go wrong for him. Up until a few weeks ago Q was even a possibility to be available. Wow, it sounded like a good time to look for a new coach.

Then suddenly we're close to hiring somebody who I know barely anything about? Yes, that is a bit sobering and disappointing. I set my expectations high. Now I don't even know what to think.

That said, after sitting back and looking at things. If his system is like Gulutzan then I can understand why Treliving would choose him. Gulutzan did have a sound system, I just don't think he properly used the players in all situations. Gulutzan doesn't seem to be the type to light a fire under the players. Sounds like Peters can do that. So, I'm willing to be patient and wait and see what happens. IF Bill Peters is indeed the guy they hire as head coach.

Toonage · 04-20-2018, 02:24 PM

That'll do shutout, that'll do.