Fire Gulutzan/Give him Coach of the year All Purpose Thread

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

It looks like Randy Sportak is getting fed up with this Wideman experiment as well.



https://twitter.com/RandySportak/sta...48954554454018

Sportak also mentions something about each pairing having a left and right shot on it. I honestly never thought of this, but it's probably a big reason why Gulutzan has the D pairings the way they are.

Pretty sure the advanced stats show solid puck possession numbers for D pairings playing on the normal side.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/03/04...ess/#more-7796

Although it seems like Brodie would be an exception to this trend, as it seems he is actually better on his off side.

[Enoch Root]

Brodie is a better player on the right side than the left. He is also a better player when paired with Giordano.

Giordano is a better player when paired with Brodie than when paired with Wideman.

When you make changes that make your 2 best defensemen worse, your team is going to be worse for it.

Put them back together, so they can go back to playing 25 minutes a night against the opposition's best, and still dominate.

That is when the Flames are at their best.

[jayswin]

Brent Sutter asked about winning five straight: "I don't like the way we're winning"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

GG asked about winning third in a row: "I don't like the way they won"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Brent Sutter asked about winning five straight: "I don't like the way we're winning"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

GG asked about winning third in a row: "I don't like the way they won"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

If the team is so fragile that a quote from the coach in the newspaper puts them off their game the organization has far bigger problems than the coaching staff.

C'mon man, really?

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Brent Sutter asked about winning five straight: "I don't like the way we're winning"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

GG asked about winning third in a row: "I don't like the way they won"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

Correlation isn't causation.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

There have been way too many coaching blunders so far this season. I feel like the team is already tuning him out.

No this is not the case whatsoever. Players still stuck in Hartley mode and don't seem willing to buy In at all.
Every time I hear GG on the radio he established exactly what the plan was and then how it was executed wrong by the players .

He's not even being a hard ass and even most of the media agrees this is on the player's and not executing .

Some players seem to be doing fine under n whatever system such as Frolik and Backlund and most just arent.

Stajan is being praised and our face offs are better than ever this year but it doesn't matter when you win it and then cough it up.

Players have to buy in and quick because the excuses don't add up anymore.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Players have to buy in and quick because the excuses don't add up anymore.

Maybe they have bought in. Gulutzan doesn't have some super secret system that no one has thought of, it's hockey.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the team is so fragile that a quote from the coach in the newspaper puts them off their game the organization has far bigger problems than the coaching staff.

C'mon man, really?

Originally Posted by sempuki

Correlation isn't causation.

Haha, Jesus Christ it was just a funny coincidence I remembered and decided to post. Probably should have put a smiley or something.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Maybe they have bought in. Gulutzan doesn't have some super secret system that no one has thought of, it's hockey.

Guys like Backlund, Frolik & Stajan have been playing well in GG's system. Maybe the system suits them better, or maybe they're better at adapting to this system than the younger guys?

[FanIn80]

Why can't we have different systems for different lines? I can do it in NHL 17!

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Why can't we have different systems for different lines? I can do it in NHL 17!

They already do.

Do you think the coach is telling Lance Bouma to dangle to gain the blue line?

He dumps and chases.

Gaudreau will try to enter the zone with possession.

I think hockey systems are pretty fluid things.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Karl

Guys like Backlund, Frolik & Stajan have been playing well in GG's system. Maybe the system suits them better, or maybe they're better at adapting to this system than the younger guys?

I think perhaps Monahan is trying to buy into the defensive system, which involves less cheating towards the offensive breakout. Which leads to him being not as open when the breakout happens. Which leads to less availability for Johnny's passes. He and Gaudreau have to adjust. I don't think the systems are at fault.

I do think the coaching hasn't been good on the powerplay. And while I understand why GG wants to split Gio and Brodie, maybe he has to admit defeat there.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Brent Sutter asked about winning five straight: "I don't like the way we're winning"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

GG asked about winning third in a row: "I don't like the way they won"

*confident winning hockey club starts losing

come on now...they beat the Sens/3rd string goalie and had the Caps/Hawks coming up. Same effort wasn't gonna cut it

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If Brodie and Gio are on the same pairing, does Giordano hit the net with a minute left?

If Brodie and Gio are on the same pairing, does Giordano not take a double minor for hog-tying and then arguing about it?

Putting Giordano with Brodie could spell disastrous results for Calgary.

Amen to that.

Giordano needs to spend a few hours each day over the next 2 weeks with a bucket of pucks and a shooter tutor.

[kukkudo]

If the Flames happen to finish bottom 5 this season do we see ownership cleaning house from top to bottom?

[Cactus Jack]

All our D were in camp from the very beginning this year. I hope if the experiment was to play Brodie on the left, that he did so from the start of camp to have time to get used to playing the other side. Does any one know if this happened?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If the Flames happen to finish bottom 5 this season do we see ownership cleaning house from top to bottom?

Not a chance. The way I see it, Gulutzan has this year plus some of next, minimum. Treliving has one more coach hire. Burke has one more GM hire.

Gulutzan has the shortest leash and even he won't get cleared out this offseason.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If the Flames happen to finish bottom 5 this season do we see ownership cleaning house from top to bottom?

I hope not, we are still rebuilding. I think if they fired everyone for that it would signal to the league that Flames ownership has zero patience and can't stomach a true re-build. It would also make me think that the Flames are destined to be perpetually mediocre.

The fans collective attitude (mine included at times) and over inflated expectations are far more exhausting than the team's play this year. It was always going to be 50/50 at best to make the playoffs and only because the division is a tire fire. On paper, this team is 15th-20th in the league IMO. An overachieving year maybe gets them to the dance, and a underachieving year lands them in the bottom 5-7. It's just reality, and new management isn't going to magically change that in time for next season.

I've been as frustrated by the team as anyone but I'm just trying to continually remind myself of the facts in the previous paragraph. The Flames need everything to go right to make the playoffs and so far that isn't happening. For me, I think the team's dismal performance over the last 25 years is starting to blend into the current team and fuel my negative attitude, and that's not fair to the current team and management. I suspect many others are in the same boat, and it's hardly fair or rational but it is what it is.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If the Flames happen to finish bottom 5 this season do we see ownership cleaning house from top to bottom?

I would hope GG at least gets fired if that was the case. Hiring a loser coach, from a loser organization can't look good on Treliving, but I think he'll be around for one more coach hire.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Brodie sucked for a good portion of last year, and was injured for a big spell as well. You didn't say most important, either. You said best. I'd say being a top 6 scorer makes Gaudreau Calgary's best player last year.

Please don't spread lies... Brodie didn't struggle for any long period of time last year. He was our best player for 90% of the season. and 12 games isn't a 'big spell'.

Remember where the Flames were in 14/15 without Gio? 2nd round of the playoffs.

Remember where the Flames were in 15/16 without Brodie? 3-8-1 which essentially cost us the playoffs less than a month into the season.

Gaudreau is a great scorer, but defense is what wins games and the Flames being 6th in scoring last year proved that.