Black Lives Matter get police float kicked out of Pride Parade

[fatso]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Mother of God, Newt Gingrich actually acknowledged white privilege the other day. Is this real life?

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/07...ck-in-america/

I saw that too. The sky has to be falling.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kill a man in uniform, it's an outrage.

Kill an innocent black man, oh... well he probably wasn't innocent.

I actually saw someone responding about the man in Minnesota, to the quote "he doesn't have a record" they produced a list of traffic violations--lack of proof of insurance, expired registration, etc. Infractions, sure--but these are not violent crimes which would warrant this person a dangerous man. Careless with his vehicle information, sure, but not a threat to anyone's safety.

It's always interesting how the media portrays various people--the Stanford rapist is often first mentioned as a "promising swimmer" and he's gotten much sympathy for his "ruined future." He committed a felony, and yet everyone feels bad that he can't be the Olympian he might well have been.

Meanwhile a black man is killed while reaching for his registration information, and there's a rush to point out everything wrong he's ever done, even if they're minor traffic violations.

Originally Posted by peter12

Community collapse is obviously a necessary factor in all of this.

I would imagine much of the "community collapse" of black communities has something to do with the fact that black men are dramatically more likely to be arrested for non-violent drug crimes, and are then dramatically more likely to spend more time in jail for those drug crimes. Those men are then not around to help raise their children. Those men then are unable to find jobs after having a criminal record, and those men then turn to selling CDs and loose cigarettes to attempt to make a living for their families.

Even when police aren't killing black men, the justice system is clearly still working against them, and that is a huge part of the dysfunction of black communities.

[PepsiFree]

wrong thread

[fatso]

Sorry if this was already posted.

A key member of Pride Toronto - Jacqie Lucas - has resigned from the organization in solidarity with BLM.

http://www.citynews.ca/2016/07/07/sh...-lives-matter/

I would encourage people to read Jacqie's statement of Facebook about why she resigned, and why she and others involved in Pride Toronto happily invited and supported BLM's actions. It might help understand the significance of BLM's activism and its convergence with the history and goals of Pride:

When the parade stopped and BlackLivesMatter Toronto began their demonstration after the moment of silence I was prepared, because folks THIS IS BLACKLIVESMATTER! The agitators who make us think about loving each other and what that actually looks like and means, you know, the reason they were being honoured. I approached them with all the information that Pride believes in protest and they could continue we would go around. What I wasn't prepared for was a list of demands and for them to be met almost instantaneously by pride.
When the parade was over I bawled my eyes out. I thought about the work some of us put in at pride, the work BlackLivesMatter put in, the really ridiculous hate mail or facebook groups started and I was so ####ing Proud of what we achieved. We were building community and taking steps to repair the history we have contributed to being unwelcoming and harmful to those members who are not white and especially Black.

https://www.facebook.com/jacqie.jagu...53902809127054

[rubecube]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-muslims#img-1

Canada is celebrated around the world for its diversity, tolerance and multiculturalism, often held up in contrast to the UK’s recent Brexit vote and the rise of Donald Trump as a political candidate south of the border. For many this narrative has obscured the realities of how multiculturalism in Canada plays out on the ground.

Statistics paint a far bleaker picture: between 2005 and 2015, the number of black inmates in federal prisons in Canada jumped by 69%. In Toronto, 41% of children and youth in the care of child welfare services are black, despite making up just 8% of the youth population in the city.

Suicide rates for young indigenous males are 10 times higher than those of non-indigenous youth, while for young females the number climbs to a staggering 21 times higher.

Last week Muslims across the country denounced an increase in hate crimes directed at them, with the number of reported incidences doubling between 2012 and 2014. In Vancouver and Toronto, more than half of those living in poverty belong to racial minorities.

“People in Canada generally will do anything to avoid talking about race,” said Desmond Cole, a journalist who has long chronicled race issues in Canada, including his personal experience as a black man who has been subject to random police checks more than 50 times.

“The most frequent way that we do that in Canada is to say we are not the United States. The United States is the place where racism exists, so any conversation about race ought to be about the United States and not Canada.”

Toronto – known globally as one of the world’s most diverse cities – also elected the late Rob Ford as city mayor, despite his vitriolic outbursts towards Jews, black people and the LGBT community.

“How is it that a person like Rob Ford could preside over a presumably multicultural city like this and be celebrated even as he attacked minority groups?” Cole asked. “That’s your multiculturalism.”
The Toronto chapter was launched in 2014, and the founders initially came together as a reaction to events south of the border, including the death of Michael Brown, the black teenager fatally shot by police in Ferguson, Missouri.

But events closer to home – such as the death of Jermaine Carby, a 33-year-old shot dead after being pulled over by police in a municipality near Toronto – convinced the group to formalise their presence in Canada, seeking to spark a similar conversation on race, privilege and power north of the border.

The group has since taken on carding – random police checks that disproportionately target black people – and challenged Toronto police over the death of Andrew Loku, a mentally ill 45-year-old man shot last year by police at a subsidised housing complex after he refused to drop the hammer he was holding.

But the persistent idea of Canada as a colourblind country means the group must often start by countering this idea.

“We often end up finding ourselves having to disprove before we can prove,” she said. Little data exists on racialised groups – as minorities are at times referred to in Canada – and the small number of black people in the country means the movement must seek out allies. “One of our most powerful mantras is Black Lives Matter on Indigenous Land.”

[CliffFletcher]

“People in Canada generally will do anything to avoid talking about race,” said Desmond Cole, a journalist who has long chronicled race issues in Canada, including his personal experience as a black man who has been subject to random police checks more than 50 times.

There are several articles a week about race in the Globe and Mail, Canada's leading newspaper. There are several stories about race every week on CBC radio and CBC News. School curriculum is full of examinations of race and identity.

I guess I need someone to explain to me what a society that talks about race sufficiently enough to avoid this kind of condemnation looks like. Anyone care to provide some real-world examples of such a society?

[CroFlames]

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

It's not so much the fact that he was elected, it's more the fact that it wasn't even a consideration until Toronto newspapers started writing about how proud they were of all us caveman Rednecks voting in a Muslim mayor.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

Calgary isn't socially conservative, outside of the ultra-white pockets of the SW/South-SE.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There are several articles a week about race in the Globe and Mail, Canada's leading newspaper. There are several stories about race every week on CBC radio and CBC News. School curriculum is full of examinations of race and identity.

I guess I need someone to explain to me what a society that talks about race sufficiently enough to avoid this kind of condemnation looks like. Anyone care to provide some real-world examples of such a society?

I agree with you to an extent, but I've also personally witnessed people who try to dismiss racism as a non-issue in Canada. It's something that many Canadians view as an American phenomenon, despite all the evidence to the contrary. We've even seen some of it in this thread.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

Because it's about as relevant to Canadian racism as the U.S. having a black president is to American racism.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Because it's about as relevant to Canadian racism as the U.S. having a black president is to American racism.

See, that's just completely disingenuous. Race was a major factor in that election.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

Run that buy some aboriginal communities first. Canada has its own set of problems. We don't have the legacy of slavery that the USA has, but we have issues.

[peter12]

I really have a hard time believing anything in that article is more than just conjecture based on a few parsed statistics. More research is needed.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why doesn't the article mention Nenshi being elected in a traditionally very conservative city? No country is perfect, but IMO Canada is by far the best.

Because when people write articles, they use examples that will further their point, not detract from it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

See, that's just completely disingenuous. Race was a major factor in that election.

That's not my point though. Nenshi being mayor and Obama being president, while both important steps, are not indicative of racism being a non-issue in their respective domains. I'm sure there were racists who voted for both of them.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's not my point though. Nenshi being mayor and Obama being president, while both important steps, are not indicative of racism being a non-issue in their respective domains. I'm sure there were racists who voted for both of them.

No they're not, but comparing them as equal comparative points while ignoring the entire culture around them is dishonest.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Calgary isn't socially conservative, outside of the ultra-white pockets of the SW/South-SE.

Are you honestly suggesting that the educated and affluent people who live in the SW are more socially conservative than the parts of city where immigrants from India, Pakistan, China, and the Philippines concentrate? That church attendance in Oakridge is higher than in Martindale? That it's easier for a teen in Rundle to come out as gay than a teen in Midnapore?

Do you really believe any of this stuff, or do you just post it for the LOLs?

[Resolute 14]

You already know the answer to that question, Cliff.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are you honestly suggesting that the educated and affluent people who live in the SW are more socially conservative than the parts of city where immigrants from India, Pakistan, China, and the Philippines concentrate? That church attendance in Oakridge is higher than in Martindale? That it's easier for a teen in Rundle to come out as gay than a teen in Midnapore?

Do you really believe any of this stuff, or do you just post it for the LOLs?

He's admitted that he just posts for the lol's on CP, and he's getting more trollish by the day. He actually got called out by KevanGuy (or one of the mods) and literally just flippantly told him off in the thread. I was surprised he wasn't just banned right then and there.