[Trade] PK Subban for Shea Weber. 1 for 1.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by getbak

With a buyout, you're still taking on the cap hit remaining on the contract (minus the 1/3 of salary you're not paying), so there is no other benefit to be recaptured.

I'm not a CBA expert but I've seen this topic before and the consensus was always that the team receiving the benefit was still subject to recapture. The exception being a compliance buyout of course.

[EldrickOnIce]

Montreal has had a horrible PP too. Maybe Weber will help that. Both Weber and Shaw may have fresher kegs for longer playing in the East

[Mr.Coffee]

This was a bad deal for the Habs. I refuse to believe this was the best Montreal could do when putting forward Subban. The Weber contract is an anchor Nashville got out of at the perfect time.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva
Predators made the only "serious" offer for PK Subban. No surprise, Canucks made one, but it was rejected. Not enough on the table.

[dammage79]

Did NSH really get out of it though? They have more cap hit into Subban now and are still on the hook for Weber's recapture. Seems pretty 50/50 to me.

[JiriHrdina]

I can't even imagine what Vancouver could have offered. They just don't have the type of assets required.

[Enoch Root]

swap Subbans?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva
Predators made the only "serious" offer for PK Subban. No surprise, Canucks made one, but it was rejected. Not enough on the table.

Canucks were going to include $50000, but ended up having to spend it on a tampering fine. Deal fell apart as a result.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I can't even imagine what Vancouver could have offered. They just don't have the type of assets required.

I think Friedman speculated that the Canucks best offer may have been Tanev, Horvat, and the 5th OA last week.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think Friedman speculated that the Canucks best offer may have been Tanev, Horvat, and the 5th OA last week.

And thinking of their team and prospect pool, that's pretty much the pinnacle offer they can muster.

Oh how they've fallen.

hilarious

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Montreal has had a horrible PP too. Maybe Weber will help that. Both Weber and Shaw may have fresher kegs for longer playing in the East

Yea, I don't get that. Subban had the skills for a good pp performer but it never quite pans out for him. There was stat that over the last two years pp goals were 31-14 in favour of Weber, he definetly has the better shot.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I'm not a CBA expert but I've seen this topic before and the consensus was always that the team receiving the benefit was still subject to recapture. The exception being a compliance buyout of course.

No that's wrong. This is what the CBA says...

For any period during which the Player under a Long-Term Contract is no longer playing in the League during the term of that Long-Term Contract by reason of retirement, "defection" from the NHL or otherwise (but not death) (such that he is not playing and is not receiving Salary pursuant to that Long-Term Contract), an amount attributable to that Player shall nonetheless continue to be included in his Club's Averaged Club Salary

With a buyout, the player is still being paid under the terms of the contract, and the full salary paid is being accounted for under the cap, so there's no unaccounted salary to recapture.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think Friedman speculated that the Canucks best offer may have been Tanev, Horvat, and the 5th OA last week.

That is a way, way better offer than Shea Weber. I'd still have turned it down if I were Habs GM, though.

[savemedrzaius]

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I hate the stupid Habs so this is a great deal.

What are they thinking?

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by getbak

No that's wrong. This is what the CBA says...

With a buyout, the player is still being paid under the terms of the contract, and the full salary paid is being accounted for under the cap, so there's no unaccounted salary to recapture.

That's the same interpretation that I took away from reading through the CBA.
Basically I don't think Nashville has to worry about the recapture penalty:

• Weber has no incentive to retire prior to the end of his contract and forfeit his remaining salary
• Weber isn't going to "defect" from the NHL to go play in Europe
• If he gets injured he will go on LITR like Pronger or Savard, who both would have triggered recapture penalties had they "retired"
• If he gets bought out he is "receiving salary pursuant to his Long-Term Contract" and thus there would be no penalty to Nashville only Montreal
  • Brad Richards is an example of this as he was bought out in June 2014, the Rangers would have faced recapture penalties had he retired but instead only faced the buyout penalties.

[Hockey]

Be interesting to see how Subban does against the tough west opponents. Same thing for Weber against the softer East.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by getbak

With a buyout, the player is still being paid under the terms of the contract, and the full salary paid is being accounted for under the cap, so there's no unaccounted salary to recapture.

That doesn't make any sense. The salary is still being accounted for but the previous year(s) cap benefits aren't. Your quote doesn't mention anything about recapture. If that was the case Chicago would just buy out Hossa next year and take the $300K buyout hit with no recapture penalties.

[Enoch Root]

Why would you think he has no incentive to retire?

You're 37, you've made over $100M and you're now going to earn $1M per year?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

Weber has no incentive to retire prior to the end of his contract and forfeit his remaining salary

He will have earned $107M out of $110M at that point, what is his incentive to play 3 more years for $1M per?

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

If he gets bought out he is "receiving salary pursuant to his Long-Term Contract" and thus there would be no penalty to Nashville only Montreal

• • Brad Richards is an example of this as he was bought out in June 2014, the Rangers would have faced recapture penalties had he retired but instead only faced the buyout penalties.

This is just wrong, Richards was bought out with a compliance buyout and the contract was therefore exempt from any penalties. Compliance buyouts are no longer available.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jacks

That doesn't make any sense. The salary is still being accounted for but the previous year(s) cap benefits aren't. Your quote doesn't mention anything about recapture. If that was the case Chicago would just buy out Hossa next year and take the $300K buyout hit with no recapture penalties.

That quote is literally the recapture clause in the CBA.


Go to CapFriendly and run their buyout calculator: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_c...r/marian-hossa


Buyouts do account for the extra money that has already been paid to a player.