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[iloveicedhockey]

It's been confirmed bieksa was playing with a torn MCL, which could very much eliminate buyout possibility. He may have to waive if he wants to stay in Anaheim.

[Roof-Daddy]

Well hopefully he hasn't already agreed in writing to waive, decides not to and the Ducks can't buy him out.

I would love nothing more than for that team to have lose Manson or Rackell in the expansion draft because they have to protect that slimeball.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Hmm... do you have to protect players that are on LTIR?

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The NHL has already announced that the following players are exempt from the expansion draft due to injuries:


Everyone else still needs to be protected or will be exposed.

On the radio this morning, they were talking like Anaheim doesn't have to protect Lindholm and Vatanen because they're injured. They were saying that all they have to do now is get Bieksa to waive his NTC and then they'll just need to protect Fowler and Mason.

Since they're pretty vague about the severity of Vatanen's injury, and because I already don't trust anything Anaheim says/does, it makes me wonder if they're using LTIR as a way to "protect" 4 D while only actually protecting 2 D.

Edit: It's entirely possible I misheard/misunderstood what I was hearing though. I was pretty busy cursing at a Honda minivan in traffic at the time.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

On the radio this morning, they were talking like Anaheim doesn't have to protect Lindholm and Vatanen because they're injured. They were saying that all they have to do now is get Bieksa to waive his NTC and then they'll just need to protect Fowler and Mason.

Since they're pretty vague about the severity of Vatanen's injury, and because I already don't trust anything Anaheim says/does, it makes me wonder if they're using LTIR as a way to "protect" 4 D while only actually protecting 2 D.

I can't see how that would be allowed by the NHL. The other players who don't have to be protected are never going to play in the NHL again. Totally different.

[Lord Carnage]

As I understand it, being on LTIR does not exempt you from expansion.

The players posted earlier by SureLoss are ones that are SEVERELY injured, as in have not played for a long time, or may not play again for a long time (or ever).

A shoulder injury that would keep someone out for 6 months will not get you exempted from the expansion draft. Morning show goes going down the wrong path there.

[FanIn80]

Yeah, I've been googling to see what others are saying re: Anaheim, and I can't find anything that suggests they don't still have to protect Lindholm and Vatanen. So, either I misheard them this morning, or I heard them right, but they're on crack...

Long story short, either FanIn80 is on crack or Fan960 is on crack.


Edit: Also, it looks like this is already being discussed in the "Friedman on Bennett" thread anyway.

[Weitz]

Fan960 has been getting the expansion draft rules wrong since they were announced pretty much.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Fan960 has been getting the expansion draft rules wrong since they were announced pretty much.

You don't tune into 960 to get accurate hockey information from the local guys that's for sure. Pinder was saying his morning it would take Bennett+ to land Vatanen.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You don't tune into 960 to get accurate hockey information from the local guys that's for sure. Pinder was saying his morning it would take Bennett+ to land Vatanen.

They don't see in Bennett what a lot around here see. I tend to agree with them on that though. Plus D are much more valuable than forwards.

I think for Anaheim to trade him to Calgary they are not far off. If Calgary was in the East than it would take a lot less.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

They don't see in Bennett what a lot around here see. I tend to agree with them on that though. Plus D are much more valuable than forwards.

I think for Anaheim to trade him to Calgary they are not far off. If Calgary was in the East than it would take a lot less.

Same thing could easily be said about Calgary and sending Bennett to Anaheim. Why does Calgary send a 21 year old drafted 4th overall 3 years ago for an injured defenseman they likely have to move for expansion purposes. Going to take a lot more from the Ducks to move our gritty skilled centre than a team out east.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Same thing could easily be said about Calgary and sending Bennett to Anaheim. Why does Calgary send a 21 year old drafted 4th overall 3 years ago for an injured defenseman they likely have to move for expansion purposes. Going to take a lot more from the Ducks to move our gritty skilled centre than a team out east.

I am working on the assumption Calgary is interested in Vatanan and called to inquire. If that's the case, then your point doesn't make sense. It would if Anaheim called to inquire, but all that has been heard is they "like Bennett". And in the same Friedman article he mentions they would likely want to move Vatanan out east.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I am working on the assumption Calgary is interested in Vatanan and called to inquire. If that's the case, then your point doesn't make sense. It would if Anaheim called to inquire, but all that has been heard is they "like Bennett". And in the same Friedman article he mentions they would likely want to move Vatanan out east.

Okay I was under the impression we were talking about the story in the thread with the Ducks liking Bennett not the Flames wanting Vatanen.

Your point is valid that D are harder to come by than forwards. Once we peel back a layer and define the forward as a centre then I think it balances out. The Flames went through Iginla's 16 year career as a Flames and could never get him a legit top line centre.

[Resolute 14]

LTIR doesn't exist in the off-season, so that's irrelevant. The Ducks would have to get a special approval from the NHL to exempt a player on a long term injury, and unless these guys are going to miss the entire 2017-18 season - and they won't - there's no way the NHL grants such a petition.

[MissTeeks]

[Flash Walken]

kudos for the league and the PA to be flexible on this, but otherwise this is mickey mouse type stuff, making up the expansion rules 3 weeks out from the expansion draft.

[getbak]

I don't understand that. Originally, the protected lists had to be submitted by 5:00pm ET on June 17, Vegas had to submit their selections to the League by 5:00pm ET on June 20, with the picks being announced at the NHL Awards on June 21. That was already 72 hours.

Apparently, they also said that teams will now have until June 18 to submit their protected lists.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

kudos for the league and the PA to be flexible on this, but otherwise this is mickey mouse type stuff, making up the expansion rules 3 weeks out from the expansion draft.

It feels like they have been making it up as they go along from the start. Just pathetic.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

It feels like they have been making it up as they go along from the start. Just pathetic.

they wanted the expansion team to be better than last time, so literally they are making these rules as they go along. What would you rather, something inflexible that if they made a bad rule they cannot change it. also this is a minor thing so it isn't a big deal to change. so.... take a breather, it effects you exactly 0%

[dissentowner]

I would have liked to have seen no buyout window as well as NMC having to be protected and cannot be waived, I think that would have given LV a better chance to get some high end players

[Loudog]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

On the radio this morning, they were talking like Anaheim doesn't have to protect Lindholm and Vatanen because they're injured. They were saying that all they have to do now is get Bieksa to waive his NTC and then they'll just need to protect Fowler and Mason.

Since they're pretty vague about the severity of Vatanen's injury, and because I already don't trust anything Anaheim says/does, it makes me wonder if they're using LTIR as a way to "protect" 4 D while only actually protecting 2 D.

Edit: It's entirely possible I misheard/misunderstood what I was hearing though. I was pretty busy cursing at a Honda minivan in traffic at the time.

Of course it was a Honda....