The Stephan trial and evidence-based healthcare

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Remorse is always a factor in sentencing.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

The stage that each is in in their grieving process should not affect the sentance they get.

Go read the tweets. That's the not reason behind it. One took accountability, showed remorse, and actually took some steps while the kid was stick. The other decided to be willfully ignorant and blame everyone else.

[photon]

Isn't part of the point of all this to deter other offenders? This doesn't even deter the ACTUAL offenders.

Please, someone ask the dad if he'd do anything different if another child falls ill in the same way. It sounds like he would not. If not, then how does this deter anyone or protect anyone???

[rubecube]

Yeah I usually defend the Canadian justice system when people get hysterical about what they perceive as lenient sentences but this is just ridiculous.

[IGGYRULES]

The justice system is an absolute joke! Wow

[puffnstuff]

So she googled and talked to a nurse. Its not like she took anything she found or heard and did anything with it.
Thought it would be more time for both of them. Hoped it would.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah I usually defend the Canadian justice system when people get hysterical about what they perceive as lenient sentences but this is just ridiculous.

Me too, and I'm going to do so here for the most part, but I agree, it seems really, really light to me. That said, I don't know the precedents at all. Thankfully. I'd just get depressed reading them.

[Fuzz]

Do they still get to keep their kids? Is there any protection for them from their parents stupidity, or are we risking a repeat down the road?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not really. The judge laid out some pretty good reasons as to why.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Go read the tweets. That's the not reason behind it. One took accountability, showed remorse, and actually took some steps while the kid was stick. The other decided to be willfully ignorant and blame everyone else.

But your kid dies it's your fault, I think you blame a lot of other people before you come around to blame your self. I don't see his reaction and her reaction as meaningfully different.

her negligence killed her kid just as much as his did. Sentences should be the same.

Also she pursued medical information and ignored it. That's worse then just being really stupid.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Me too, and I'm going to do so here for the most part, but I agree, it seems really, really light to me. That said, I don't know the precedents at all. Thankfully. I'd just get depressed reading them.

Weren't some people saying that this was possibly a precedent-setting case? I feel like the judge should have weighed that a bit heavier.

[habernac]

Wow, way too lenient.

[Cube Inmate]

I hope the prison officials provide David with lots of hot peppers, garlic, horseradish, and "EMPowerPlus" when he happens to get ill.

[IGGYRULES]

Ezekiel went through 2 weeks of hell and paid the ultimate price for their negligence. Poor kid and poor kids they haven't killed yet. I can't even imagine the thought process of these quacks. Looking at the support they received at the courthouse just shows that there are more quacks out there than we think. This really pisses me off! What a wasted opportunity for a statement from the justice system to deter further quackery.

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

I hope the prison officials provide David with lots of hot peppers, garlic, horseradish, and "EMPowerPlus" when he happens to get ill.

How long will he actually spend in jail though? Out in good behavior after a few days so that he can continue his Quackery crusade.

[Nyah]

Utterly disgraceful. Message to parents who feel that natural remedies will suffice if their children get seriously ill: go for it. Oh, but if they get really ill after a week or two, maybe just take them to the doctor. That poor kid died excruciatingly, and the father still thinks he's the victim.

[MelBridgeman]

Tough decision by the Judge - I personally think based on a few tweets and a lot of headlines and not much research nor being a minute in the court room that these sentences weren't enough.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

But your kid dies it's your fault, I think you blame a lot of other people before you come around to blame your self. I don't see his reaction and her reaction as meaningfully different.

her negligence killed her kid just as much as his did. Sentences should be the same.

Also she pursued medical information and ignored it. That's worse then just being really stupid.

Disagree. He's more likely to re-offend based on his lack of personal accountability and his statements to the media. It's been four years since the incident. If he's not showing any remorse or personal accountability by now, it's doubtful that he ever will.

[habernac]

Ugh, I'm angrier the more I think about this. The smug prick of a Dad would do the same thing tomorrow. His sentence should have been YEARS. She's no better, thinking the autopsy was falsified. I want to adopt all of their kids myself just to save them.

[Regorium]

What a pathetic ruling.

The verdict got everything right. The lack of remorse, the increased likelihood of re-offending, basically every single extenuating circumstance there is was there.

Yet the sentence was 4 months. So ridiculous. The nuance in this case suggested a max sentence for both of them.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by habernac

Ugh, I'm angrier the more I think about this. The smug prick of a Dad would do the same thing tomorrow. His sentence should have been YEARS. She's no better, thinking the autopsy was falsified. I want to adopt all of their kids myself just to save them.

Forgot about that gem of a statement. I still think the dad was more of a dickhead.