Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[DoubleF]

Weren't there a few posters who went to the Dev Camp last season and said Janko was easily the best prospect not named Bennett? I believe said poster(s?) were disappointed Bennett wasn't in the Dev Camp so that a side by side comparison of where Janko may potentially be in comparison to a NHL lock like Bennett could be obtained.

Easily better than that second rounder IMO. Unsure of what ceiling to expect.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Weren't there a few posters who went to the Dev Camp last season and said Janko was easily the best prospect not named Bennett? I believe said poster(s?) were disappointed Bennett wasn't in the Dev Camp so that a side by side comparison of where Janko may potentially be in comparison to a NHL lock like Bennett could be obtained.

Easily better than that second rounder IMO. Unsure of what ceiling to expect.

Bennett was there. Bennett had higher flashes, but was inconsistent through the week. Jankowski was consistently good throughout. Bennett was the only guy who was better at any point in the camp.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Bennett was there. Bennett had higher flashes, but was inconsistent through the week. Jankowski was consistently good throughout. Bennett was the only guy who was better at any point in the camp.

Did Bennett miss a scrimmage game or something like that near the end? I seem to recall he missed something and somehow some posters were saying there wasn't a good look as to Janko vs Bennett or something. This was further exacerbated because Janko went college and didn't play in the young stars tourney or something?

I could be wrong though and remembering things wrong.

I was trying to also find the post from the poster who did their thoughts on the prospects in the dev camp to reread them but can't find it and I can't seem to figure out who it was.

[FireGilbert]

Feaster was secretly a genius who realised the 2012 draft was weak and had a long term plan to get the Flames' an extra 2nd round pick in 2017.

Seriously though I really hope Jankowski signs, becomes a super star, and proves Feaster was actually a genius.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If Janko doesn't sign, Feaster's failure with that pick will simply be complete. The fact that there is even a chance he might not sign and that he has options to consider is why you don't take a long term project with your first round pick in that situation. It's one thing to be in this spot with a 4th round pick you hoped would maybe turn into something special, but it's another to have to go through this cause you went off the board in the first round knowing it would take time to develop and knowing if it did (or at least should have know) this could be the outcome.

Regardless what happens, the fact that Janko has some decisions to make right now is why it was a dumb dumb pick in that slot in the first place.

So let me get this straight. If Jankowski doesn't sign with the Flames that is on Feaster? The fact that Jankowski was was the best prospect in dev camp, not named Bennett, and was prepared to sign last year, but Treliving thought it best for him to cook another year in year in college, that is on Feaster? The fact that Treliving went in with, what is rumored to be a contract starting next season and PTO contract for the AHL instead of a standard offer that would allow Jankowski to play a couple NHL games and earn a nice little bonus, that is on Feaster? So, in a nutshell, Treliving's mismanagement of the contract surrounding one of the Flames top prospects now falls on Feaster?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by New Era

So let me get this straight. If Jankowski doesn't sign with the Flames that is on Feaster? The fact that Jankowski was was the best prospect in dev camp, not named Bennett, and was prepared to sign last year, but Treliving thought it best for him to cook another year in year in college, that is on Feaster? The fact that Treliving went in with, what is rumored to be a contract starting next season and PTO contract for the AHL instead of a standard offer that would allow Jankowski to play a couple NHL games and earn a nice little bonus, that is on Feaster? So, in a nutshell, Treliving's mismanagement of the contract surrounding one of the Flames top prospects now falls on Feaster?

I wonder if Treliving sticking to "next year" (assuming he sticks to it) means the Flames are quite comfortable with the 2nd rounder in 2017 and are not that enamoured with Jankowski? I mean, if that's the only sticking point...

[shotinthebacklund]

Pretty presumptious throwing around words like miss management. Why jump to all the conclusions and just wait and see how it works out.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by New Era

So let me get this straight. If Jankowski doesn't sign with the Flames that is on Feaster? The fact that Jankowski was was the best prospect in dev camp, not named Bennett, and was prepared to sign last year, but Treliving thought it best for him to cook another year in year in college, that is on Feaster? The fact that Treliving went in with, what is rumored to be a contract starting next season and PTO contract for the AHL instead of a standard offer that would allow Jankowski to play a couple NHL games and earn a nice little bonus, that is on Feaster? So, in a nutshell, Treliving's mismanagement of the contract surrounding one of the Flames top prospects now falls on Feaster?

Really not the end of the world either way. If the Flames signed him and immediately put him up for a trade would they get a better offer than the compensation pick? I doubt it, but obviously I don't know.

[fastpuck]

It seems to me if you go to a Jesuit university like Providence, Easter is important and probable not the best time to sign a contract.

[Vinny01]

Joe Colborne had a much better college career and turned pro younger than Jankowski. Very similar players that were known to have great size and hands. Joe is on his 3rd organization and is having a career year at 26 where he is still likely to fall shy of 20 goals and 35pts.

Jankowski is just turning pro and will play his first pro season at 22. In 4 years will he be where Colborne is today?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Joe Colborne had a much better college career and turned pro younger than Jankowski. Very similar players that were known to have great size and hands. Joe is on his 3rd organization and is having a career year at 26 where he is still likely to fall shy of 20 goals and 35pts.

Jankowski is just turning pro and will play his first pro season at 22. In 4 years will he be where Colborne is today?

Even if Colborne is his peak he's an asset worth trying to retain. I consider Colborne a better than average 3rd line player.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Nowhere did I say a 2nd round lacks value. We also already have several of them in the chamber too.

I said if you're comparing it to Jankowski, we currently have a guy four years more developed than an unknown 2nd round pick would be.

You're suggesting you'd rather take the pick?

I think you are suggesting they would need to use the draft pick and wait 5 years for the player to develop and I am suggesting they could move the pick for more immediate help if desired.

I would prefer to sign Jankowski but on the Flames terms. If he doesn't sign and team received a 2nd round pick I am ok with it as I still see Jankowski as a bit of a long shot.

[Strange Brew]

Or maybe to put it another way. The Flames landed Hamilton for a first and 2 seconds. I suspect, but obviously don't know for a fact, that a 1st, a 2nd and Jankowski may not have have gotten it done.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Pretty presumptious throwing around words like miss management. Why jump to all the conclusions and just wait and see how it works out.

Pretty presumptuous to lay the blame of not signing a player at the feet of the guy who has zero control in signing the guy.



I gotta laugh at the people thinking that 2017 2nd rounder looks pretty good. You really want to toss away a 6'4 200 pound center that has great hands, is a very good skater, and has was the go-to guy for the best defensive team in college hockey for the past four years, for an unknown draft pick? Hey, maybe that draft pick will turn into a 6'4 200 pound center in five years! All you're suggesting is turning that 21st pick in 2012 into a 7-9 year development window to see if it bears fruit. I know, but it could be a boat!

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I was trying to also find the post from the poster who did their thoughts on the prospects in the dev camp to reread them but can't find it and I can't seem to figure out who it was.

That poster replied to you already.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=148236

The main thread is here.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=147611

[FiveSeven]

Originally Posted by New Era

Pretty presumptuous to lay the blame of not signing a player at the feet of the guy who has zero control in signing the guy.



I gotta laugh at the people thinking that 2017 2nd rounder looks pretty good. You really want to toss away a 6'4 200 pound center that has great hands, is a very good skater, and has was the go-to guy for the best defensive team in college hockey for the past four years, for an unknown draft pick? Hey, maybe that draft pick will turn into a 6'4 200 pound center in five years! All you're suggesting is turning that 21st pick in 2012 into a 7-9 year development window to see if it bears fruit. I know, but it could be a boat!

I know right. He's known to have one of the best two way skillsets in the NCAA playing for a insanely defence oriented team. He clearly has high end skill as can be seen on YouTube. Maybe on an offensive team he puts up 60+ points and people sing a different song. Yes his numbers aren't great but all the boxes are basically checked off with what you would want in a player. Let him prove his worth. Maybe in the end he becomes a better version of Backlund and takes that #3 spot. Who knows, that's the point. I would rather give him a shot then take a pick 10/10 times considering all the above and more.

[kyuss275]

Would have to think today is the day we get the answer. It is well known that Trieviling wants Janko to go to the ahl. If Janko does not want to go that route, i don't see the GM sticking to his guns. I think flames will offer what he wants ( playing some games this year in the NHL). If he does not sign, then i figure know matter what, he was never going to sign. That said i think he signs.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by New Era

Pretty presumptuous to lay the blame of not signing a player at the feet of the guy who has zero control in signing the guy.



I gotta laugh at the people thinking that 2017 2nd rounder looks pretty good. You really want to toss away a 6'4 200 pound center that has great hands, is a very good skater, and has was the go-to guy for the best defensive team in college hockey for the past four years, for an unknown draft pick? Hey, maybe that draft pick will turn into a 6'4 200 pound center in five years! All you're suggesting is turning that 21st pick in 2012 into a 7-9 year development window to see if it bears fruit. I know, but it could be a boat!

And yet, the Flames brass, who know him best, are seemingly unwilling to budge on burning a year, and willing to accept the 2nd (it seems)...

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by New Era

Pretty presumptuous to lay the blame of not signing a player at the feet of the guy who has zero control in signing the guy.



I gotta laugh at the people thinking that 2017 2nd rounder looks pretty good. You really want to toss away a 6'4 200 pound center that has great hands, is a very good skater, and has was the go-to guy for the best defensive team in college hockey for the past four years, for an unknown draft pick? Hey, maybe that draft pick will turn into a 6'4 200 pound center in five years! All you're suggesting is turning that 21st pick in 2012 into a 7-9 year development window to see if it bears fruit. I know, but it could be a boat!

No where did I say this is at the feet of feaster. Whats presumptious is that if he does not sign here its a case of mismanagment. Who is to say that one more year in college playing a highly important role makes his carrer in the nhl. If he turns around and choses FA it sucks, agreed , rather him than a second but is it mismanagement. I dont think that can be assertained at this point in time.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

And yet, the Flames brass, who know him best, are seemingly unwilling to budge on burning a year, and willing to accept the 2nd (it seems)...

I'm fine with the Flames not caving in and gifting him NHL ice time. I will be a little ticked if he doesn't sign with the Flames but I think fans need to be realistic here in that this guy isn't going to be a star and at best is going to be Backlund's replacement one day. If he decides to become a free agent (and likely join the Canucks) all that really means is the Flames may need to hold on to Backlund past his current deal which in a salary capped league isn't as desirable as replacing him with a player on an entry level deal but it won't be the end of the world or set this team back. It's not like he's going to haunt the Flames as a member of the Canucks as he's not an elite talent.