Ongoing Terrorism/ISIS/al Qaeda Thread

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Because the people there are too busy trying to survive with what little they've got. Quality of life between Saudi Arabia and Israel...night and day.

Saudi men are hardly busy trying to survive with what little they've got. The state keeps them compliant with generous welfare payments, which is why so few Saudi men work, and almost all labour is performed by imported foreign workers. With its vast riches, Saudi Arabia could be a global leader in oil and gas technology. But it's not. It imports all of its technology, along with the people who use it.

And Israel was hardly rich for most of its existence. It wasn't until the 70s that its GDP and standard of living started to diverge from that of neighbouring countries like Syria and Lebanon.

The Arab world suffers under the handicaps of centralized command economies alongside explosive population growth. The former a product of a suspicion of free markets, the latter a legacy of a highly religious and conservative population with extremely low rates of female education.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No, we're putting context to the level of damage currently being inflicted historically. It's a useful exercise in terrorism because our collective memories are short and our reaction is key. Unprecedented reaction would be inappropriate if context shows current concerns aren't unprecedented

I don't think it's surprising that jihadist global terrorism inspires more fear than a localized political struggle for independence. The agenda of the IRA was clear - get British troops out of Ireland.

The agenda of the Islamicists is existential - punish infidels for not hewing to a fundamentalist religious credo. The target isn't one state or policy, but every civilization bordering the Islamic parts of the world. Jihadists are blowing up civilians from Indonesia to India to Israel to Turkey to Germany to France to the UK to the USA.

And unlike the IRA, whose attacks were carried out by bombers from Ireland, jihadists find support and recruits anywhere there are Muslim communities. So every country in Europe and the rest of the West is finding itself threatened by homegrown radicals who utterly reject the core values of their society. That's a far more insidious threat than the bombs of an independence movement.

[burn_this_city]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e_iOSApp_Other

[polak]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Remember, most Muslims worldwide think the US and it's allies are actively trying to kill Muslims and destroy them.

They're getting there....

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

And isis does not want death to the west. They'd like it, sure. They want to reestablish the Caliphate to usher the end of days. To do that they need a battle with "Rome" at a predescribed place in the desert (Dabiq). They only attack the west so we ensure Muslims stay in their homeland and don't feel secure outside the great Caliphate and to entice a war that will increase their enrollment. Remember, most Muslims worldwide think the US and it's allies are actively trying to kill Muslims and destroy them. There's nothing to rally the battle cry like another US or western occupation.

You're quite wrong. Most extremists want a global caliphate. This requires the allegiance of all muslim populations worldwide, regardless of geographic or political location. ISIS specifically wants global domination.

Look at the extreme preachers in the EU and the way they are pushing Sharia law, not just for the middle east but for Europe. They also view muslim populations as ruled under Sharia and not political law. So if you have neighbourhoods of hundreds of thousands of people saying that local law does not apply to them, it's an issue. Their ultimate goal is to spread the muslim populations within Europe and take over. ISIS and short term and long term goals. The short term goals may be what you're talking about, but the long term goals definitely involve world domination of their caliphate.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Always have thought that the major problem in the Middle East and in many parts of the world is the way countries were put together by outsiders. Iraq and Syria as countries really just do not work. Still think, as I have for many years, that the solution is multiple new countries. Starting with Kurdistan. No federalism. Separate countries.

Would that solve ISIS and Muslim fanatics worldwide. NO. But it could restore some order to at least that part of the Middle East.

I like that they (US?)are floating the idea of federalism. I hope it morphs into separate nations.

That really won't fix things at this point. Syria is a good example of how tearing down these false borders doesn't in any way prevent these militant groups from operating.

The Saudi government has been spending billions funding religions schools teaching a radical from of Islam for many decades now. They are the reason the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan. I think people are forgetting that Islamic terrorism towards the West was well under way at the time of the Iraq war.

With the amount of money and resources being poured into spreading their ultra conservative version of Islam and entire generations being raised on it, it was only a matter of time until it boiled over into something violent. Not so strangely, these groups have decided that the Saudis aren't conservative enough and have turned on them. I guess the Saudis didn't read that part of the Koran where it states hereditary rule is not islamic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e_iOSApp_Other

Anyone that thinks that if we don't react to their terror, they'll simply go away (like attention-seeking children), is not paying attention.

[northcrunk]

I watched ITVs "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" documentary last night. I really don't see a whole lot of difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS. They are one in the same IMO as the Saudis have been exporting their ideology around the globe and indoctrinate children at a young age in school that all christians, Shia and jewish people should be beheaded and all killed. I'll post a youtube link around lunch.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I watched ITVs "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" documentary last night. I really don't see a whole lot of difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS.

[northcrunk]

NSFW!

Wrapped NSFW tags due to beheadings and hangings. Saudi Arabia Uncovered documentary ITV.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

NSFW!

Wrapped NSFW tags due to beheadings and hangings. Saudi Arabia Uncovered documentary ITV.

Thanks for posting.

Like Peter Loubardias would say.

One word:

Disgusting Regime

[2Stonedbirds]

And, quite predictably...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hree-days.html

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

And, quite predictably...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hree-days.html

And it goes full circle when they inevitably start attacking immigrants, setting houses on fire....

[2Stonedbirds]

Security officials in Belgium and Europe raise concerns over vulnerability of Belgium nuclear power facilities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/wo...able.html?_r=0

[2Stonedbirds]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...acks/82245514/

[metallicat]

Anybody else read United States of Jihad by Peter Bergen? It is a really interesting book on the lone wolf terrorists in the US since 9/11.

[T@T]

Suicide bomber for the Taliban kills 60 and injures over 200 in Lahore, Pakistan. Taliban claim they targeted christians celebrating easter.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/asia/p...ast/index.html

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Anybody else read United States of Jihad by Peter Bergen? It is a really interesting book on the lone wolf terrorists in the US since 9/11.

Anything by Bergen is always exceptional, thanks for the recommendation.

[T@T]

Is crap about to hit the fan for the Saudi's over 9/11?

Saudi Arabia is warning it will sell off billions in American assets if the U.S. Congress passes a bipartisan bill that would allow victims of 9/11 and other terrorist attacks to sue foreign governments.

The Obama administration has, in turn, applied heavy pressure on Congress to block the bill. Top officials from the State Department and Pentagon warned Senate Armed Services Committee staffers last month that the bill could bring economic risks to the U.S.

Unbelievable and shameful that Obama would put the Saudi's ahead of the family's of 3000 dead on 9/11, he still wont release the 28 pages of 9/11 commission report that apparently shows Saudi royal family involvement in the training and financing of the terrorists even know he promissed too.

Former Sen. Bob Graham, the co-chair of the 9/11 congressional inquiry, told CNN's Michael Smerconish Saturday morning that he is "outraged but not surprised" by the warning from the Saudi government.
"The Saudi's have known what they did in 9/11, and they knew that we knew what they did, at least at the highest levels of the U.S. government," Graham said on "Smerconish."

Bernie and Trump will be all over this like ugly on an ape.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politi...ill/index.html

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

This is where I can't help thinking "can we please go over and kill them all now?"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/51925996.cms

That's not a particularly rational reaction, I suppose, but it's hard not to immediately go there.