2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[stemit14]

I think the cost for getting a top five pick will be more expensive than many people think... Especially in a draft with this much high-end talent. Have to remember there will be more than one team interested in moving up in the draft... That will drive up the price. The flames have the benefit of having cap space and owners willing to spend to the cap. However, there are other teams that could do that too.

Imagine if buffalo decided they really want to have two picks in the top five in order to make that horrible season worth it? They could offer to take on the ward and semin contracts in exchange for the islander's first round pick plus some of their young prospects on defence. Would save Carolina money and they would get younger and cheaper talent that's more NHL-ready. Edmonton could make a similar offer with pittsburgh's pick plus some of their young players... Heck, they could offer yakupov straight up for that pick and that deal might get done.

These are just examples of course... These teams may have no appetite for moving these picks/players. But it shows that other teams could offer more than a 2nd round pick to eat salary... The flames would have to do the same. I may be way off on the cost of eating salary though cause we have yet to see a deal of this kind in the league.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think the cost for getting a top five pick will be more expensive than many people think... Especially in a draft with this much high-end talent. Have to remember there will be more than one team interested in moving up in the draft... That will drive up the price. The flames have the benefit of having cap space and owners willing to spend to the cap. However, there are other teams that could do that too.

Imagine if buffalo decided they really want to have two picks in the top five in order to make that horrible season worth it? They could offer to take on the ward and semin contracts in exchange for the islander's first round pick plus some of their young prospects on defence. Would save Carolina money and they would get younger and cheaper talent that's more NHL-ready. Edmonton could make a similar offer with pittsburgh's pick plus some of their young players... Heck, they could offer yakupov straight up for that pick and that deal might get done.

These are just examples of course... These teams may have no appetite for moving these picks/players. But it shows that other teams could offer more than a 2nd round pick to eat salary... The flames would have to do the same. I may be way off on the cost of eating salary though cause we have yet to see a deal of this kind in the league.

The Oilers in no way could take on that salery. They would be so screwed and would finish dead last in the league...oh wait, they may just do that

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Frm what I have read recently surrounding the Canes, Ronnie Francis says he wants to keep and re-sign Ward and E.Staal. Francis also said if they were to deal them they do both have full NMC's so it'd be difficult to get what they feel they want.
They have had meeting with those two player to assess where they're at in years wanted and dollar amounts.

So I think right now Wards off the block.

If anything Semin is the only anchor they want to ship off with any priority. And they think they can get a kings ransom for Skinner who is on the block now.

Still, if you could pretty much guarantee you get Provorov while taking the full value of Semins contract, You have to do it. Semin is still ridiculously skilled and has a top 5 shot in the league. Something the Flames need. Right handed to boot.

Semin on Backlund's wing with Bennett on the opposite flank: 2 complete, 200-foot players there to make up for Semin's defensive deficiencies.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think if Ward is in there then CAR's 2nd is coming here too. We'd have to chip in a Hanowski, but that's the proce you pay for quality picks.

As New Era said, that is a crazy amount to pay for picks, even for Billionaires.

I think 5 OA + Semin for 15 and a 2nd is fair. They'll get a bunch for Ward and Skinner too, so the rebuild can start.

Fair, maybe. But that offer isn't getting you 5th overall, not even close. Especially in this draft.

Moving into the top 5 in any draft is a huge, huge deal guys.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Semin on Backlund's wing with Bennett on the opposite flank: 2 complete, 200-foot players there to make up for Semin's defensive deficiencies.

Bennett should be developed the exact same way Monahan was. As a centre, with sheltered minutes. Turning a centre of Bennet's ilk into a winger would be a disaster. Bennett will be a far better centre than Backlund is.

Centre depth for next year:

1. Monahan
2. Backlund
3. Bennett
4. Stajan

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Frm what I have read recently surrounding the Canes, Ronnie Francis says he wants to keep and re-sign Ward and E.Staal. Francis also said if they were to deal them they do both have full NMC's so it'd be difficult to get what they feel they want.
They have had meeting with those two player to assess where they're at in years wanted and dollar amounts.

So I think right now Wards off the block.

If anything Semin is the only anchor they want to ship off with any priority. And they think they can get a kings ransom for Skinner who is on the block now.

Still, if you could pretty much guarantee you get Provorov while taking the full value of Semins contract, You have to do it. Semin is still ridiculously skilled and has a top 5 shot in the league. Something the Flames need. Right handed to boot.

I'm quite stunned why Carolina would have any interest keeping Ward.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Bennett should be developed the exact same way Monahan was. As a centre, with sheltered minutes. Turning a centre of Bennet's ilk into a winger would be a disaster. Bennett will be a far better centre than Backlund is.

Centre depth for next year:

1. Monahan
2. Backlund
3. Bennett
4. Stajan

Exactly! 3rd line centre with 2nd unit Pp and pk duties

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think the cost for getting a top five pick will be more expensive than many people think... Especially in a draft with this much high-end talent.

Only for very stupid and short-sighted general managers. The hype that has been built up each of the last few years is just ridiculous. Yes, McDavid and Eichel are special players, but after that it is still a crapshoot. Remember when Nail Yakupov was the next Alex Ovechkin? Hype, hype, hype, with little substance. It never ceases to amaze me how people get over-excited coming into the draft and are willing to give away assets for a handful of magic beans.

Have to remember there will be more than one team interested in moving up in the draft... That will drive up the price. The flames have the benefit of having cap space and owners willing to spend to the cap. However, there are other teams that could do that too.

There are more teams unable to, whether it be because of the league cap or their internal cap. Then you have to consider who would be willing to give up added assets to make the move. Not many are willing to eat over $27M and give up other assets to get that deal done.

Imagine if buffalo decided they really want to have two picks in the top five in order to make that horrible season worth it? They could offer to take on the ward and semin contracts in exchange for the islander's first round pick plus some of their young prospects on defence.

Buffalo is a really poorly run franchise, but there is no way they are going eat that much money and dip into their prospect pool of defensemen to acquire another first round pick. They have been patient to watch those young defensemen develop and turn into NHL caliber players. When those guys are finally ready to step in and contribute, you don't trade them away for a player that may or may not play for another two or three years. Even as badly managed as the Sabres are, they wouldn't make that move.

Edmonton could make a similar offer with pittsburgh's pick plus some of their young players... Heck, they could offer yakupov straight up for that pick and that deal might get done.

Yeah, Yakupov is getting you nothing in the first round. You want to talk about a player that epitomizes the hype surrounding the draft and the patience you have to show with these kids, Nail Yakupov is that guy. There was so much hype around this kid - a player with incredible flaws in his game - that the Oilers had to take him. Now they are stuck with a kid that shows very few signs of ever achieving the levels expected, but are too scared to move him and have that promised achieved elsewhere. Seriously, would you give up the 15th pick for Yakupov? Would you even give up one of our 2nds? I sure wouldn't. That kid is damaged goods.

These are just examples of course... These teams may have no appetite for moving these picks/players. But it shows that other teams could offer more than a 2nd round pick to eat salary... The flames would have to do the same. I may be way off on the cost of eating salary though cause we have yet to see a deal of this kind in the league.

Well, in your mind there are teams that would do it. I think that since we have not seen any teams willing to consummate a deal like this, even for as little as $6M in contract dollars, that it is unlikely we ever see a deal like the one suggested. Until one happens I will confidently say that one where a top pick is moved with two big ticket players is a wet dream. And then consider one where a team that eats two big salaries also gives up multiple assets to get it done, well that doesn't seem even in the realm of possibilities. But then again I full expect this to be posted next.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Only for very stupid and short-sighted general managers. The hype that has been built up each of the last few years is just ridiculous. Yes, McDavid and Eichel are special players, but after that it is still a crapshoot. Remember when Nail Yakupov was the next Alex Ovechkin? Hype, hype, hype, with little substance. It never ceases to amaze me how people get over-excited coming into the draft and are willing to give away assets for a handful of magic beans.

If the draft is a crap shoot, and NHL GMs know their stuff, why don't they ever trade high picks? Fact is, it's extremely rare any year for a pick in the top 5 to be traded. We can all debate about what is or isn't overpayment for a 5th overall pick. But the only way to determine the value of something is when it's actually sold. Since top 5 or to 10 picks are so rarely sold, it's clear they're valued very, very highly by NHL GMs - higher, in fact, than they are by fans on forums.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by New Era

Only for very stupid and short-sighted general managers. The hype that has been built up each of the last few years is just ridiculous. Yes, McDavid and Eichel are special players, but after that it is still a crapshoot. Remember when Nail Yakupov was the next Alex Ovechkin? Hype, hype, hype, with little substance. It never ceases to amaze me how people get over-excited coming into the draft and are willing to give away assets for a handful of magic beans.



There are more teams unable to, whether it be because of the league cap or their internal cap. Then you have to consider who would be willing to give up added assets to make the move. Not many are willing to eat over $27M and give up other assets to get that deal done.



Buffalo is a really poorly run franchise, but there is no way they are going eat that much money and dip into their prospect pool of defensemen to acquire another first round pick. They have been patient to watch those young defensemen develop and turn into NHL caliber players. When those guys are finally ready to step in and contribute, you don't trade them away for a player that may or may not play for another two or three years. Even as badly managed as the Sabres are, they wouldn't make that move.



Yeah, Yakupov is getting you nothing in the first round. You want to talk about a player that epitomizes the hype surrounding the draft and the patience you have to show with these kids, Nail Yakupov is that guy. There was so much hype around this kid - a player with incredible flaws in his game - that the Oilers had to take him. Now they are stuck with a kid that shows very few signs of ever achieving the levels expected, but are too scared to move him and have that promised achieved elsewhere. Seriously, would you give up the 15th pick for Yakupov? Would you even give up one of our 2nds? I sure wouldn't. That kid is damaged goods.



Well, in your mind there are teams that would do it. I think that since we have not seen any teams willing to consummate a deal like this, even for as little as $6M in contract dollars, that it is unlikely we ever see a deal like the one suggested. Until one happens I will confidently say that one where a top pick is moved with two big ticket players is a wet dream. And then consider one where a team that eats two big salaries also gives up multiple assets to get it done, well that doesn't seem even in the realm of possibilities. But then again I full expect this to be posted next.

You might actually be right. Especially about yakupov... I don't know what made me think he's worthy of a first round pick at this point... His value has decreased every year since his rookie season and even that year he only had one month where he looked like a top prospect.

Like I said... Hard to know the cost cause these cap-based trades are so new in the NHL.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, Yakupov is getting you nothing in the first round. You want to talk about a player that epitomizes the hype surrounding the draft and the patience you have to show with these kids, Nail Yakupov is that guy. There was so much hype around this kid - a player with incredible flaws in his game - that the Oilers had to take him. Now they are stuck with a kid that shows very few signs of ever achieving the levels expected, but are too scared to move him and have that promised achieved elsewhere. Seriously, would you give up the 15th pick for Yakupov? Would you even give up one of our 2nds? I sure wouldn't. That kid is damaged goods.

I've been very critical of Yakupov but for a 2nd? In a heartbeat. Kid has been developed terribly but he has a ton of talent and he isn't lazy. Put him on a decent team and he'll probably be a very good second liner in a year or two. Hell, he'll probably be a lot better this year and next as Edm transitions from circus act to respectable franchise.

[edslunch]

I know this is a good draft but people are valuing high draft picks like the picking team will be set for life.

[Two Fivenagame]

Speaking of Carolina. Is there any appetite for Jordan Staal on the Flames anymore? As perhaps a big shut-down centre?

Not sure of his contract status or anything (no more capgeek), but it sure looks like the buzzards are circling the Hurricanes and perhaps a deal can be done there.

Does some kind of package involving Hudler get it done?

[The Fonz]

Raymond + 15th overall + 45th overall

For

Semin + 5th overall


Any more than that and I don't want anything to do with it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Speaking of Carolina. Is there any appetite for Jordan Staal on the Flames anymore? As perhaps a big shut-down centre?

Not sure of his contract status or anything (no more capgeek), but it sure looks like the buzzards are circling the Hurricanes and perhaps a deal can be done there.

Does some kind of package involving Hudler get it done?

Canes were pretty clear that Jordan Staal is not available.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Speaking of Carolina. Is there any appetite for Jordan Staal on the Flames anymore? As perhaps a big shut-down centre?

Not sure of his contract status or anything (no more capgeek), but it sure looks like the buzzards are circling the Hurricanes and perhaps a deal can be done there.

Does some kind of package involving Hudler get it done?

We just re-signed our shutdown center. Don't see that happening.

[Two Fivenagame]

It's just something that Treliving (i think) said not that long ago; that he was interested in a "Backes" type of player.

I think Jordan Staal is very close to Backes and still 26 y/o so potentially in the Flames wheelhouse for age.



Edit: Signed a 10yr contract in 2014 worth 6m per year......yikes

[Roof-Daddy]

Jordan Staal is a bit over paid ($6 million per for several more years), but a 25 year old 6'4 230 lb, two way center who can skate and win face offs would be a pretty nice addition.

Doubt he's available though, and would likely cost a fortune to acquire.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Speaking of Carolina. Is there any appetite for Jordan Staal on the Flames anymore? As perhaps a big shut-down centre?

Not sure of his contract status or anything (no more capgeek), but it sure looks like the buzzards are circling the Hurricanes and perhaps a deal can be done there.

Does some kind of package involving Hudler get it done?

Big pass. One of the most overrated players in the league, even now. After 9 years in the league, he still has only had one 50 point season. (and just barely). I get that he's great defensively but at $6m per for the better part of a decade remaining, you better bring more than that. He's basically a bigger version of Backlund at this point, who is also great at faceoffs. Don't get me wrong, I'd love that on the team at this point, but the acquisition cost would be insane IMO. I feel that they would ask for a return befitting a true 1st line player given the how much they overpaid when acquiring him in the first place. Honestly, I feel like if his name was John Smith he'd be making about 2/3 what he makes now on a much, much shorter term.. and with a lot less fanfare and hype.

He's a dynamite 3rd line center who would look great on our team, but for the reasons outlined above, I don't think it would ever work. I would think differently if we were the ones signing him to that deal for free (in terms of trading assets for him) but combine his existing contract with what Carolina would want for him and it's just impossible. Too bad, he could've been a great Flame, he's just the type of player we're missing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

It's just something that Treliving (i think) said not that long ago; that he was interested in a "Backes" type of player.

I think Jordan Staal is very close to Backes and still 26 y/o so potentially in the Flames wheelhouse for age.



Edit: Signed a 10yr contract in 2014 worth 6m per year......yikes

Signed it in 2012. 8 more years left. I'd take that player on that contract if they ate a million