[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Rick M.]

If we're convinced he's a washout, who cares what team he goes to. If we're not convinced why are we not giving him a shot. I assume the Flames are convinced he hasn't got it and I trust them to make the trade.

[neo45]

Good trade. Would be better to send him out east but we can address our D with these 2nd round picks

[MyFlamesFirst]

If it ends up being a 2nd and 3rd round pick, then I'm quite a bit more happy with this move. I hadn't given up on baertschi but if he wanted out than good riddance. We have seen first hand how valuable character guys in the dressing room can be. If the rumors are true, it doesn't sound that baertschi fits that mold.

Edit: Apparently Vancouver doesn't have a 3rd.

[Dion]

I like this trade.

It became apparent that Sven was not going to make the lineup. With the risk of losing him on waivers next year Treliving had to field offers. It sucks that it was the Canucks but a second round pick is good considering how deep the draft is this year.

Often a change of scenery can help rejuvinate a players career. I wish his well.

[sharkov]

it looks like Sven is well on his way to joining the Swiss misses club

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Because by trading an asset that doesn't fit in for whatever reason, you are also giving a rival that needs help with young prospects, a chance at filling their cupboards. If the Canucks and Flames are battling for a playoff spots in the upcoming seasons and Sven becomes the type of player he was drafted to be, he could very well be biting us in the ass.

That sounds to me more like Flames fans wanting to watch their arch rival team get burned then actually looking at the big picture and seeing we got a 2nd round pick for an AHL player who wasn't in the teams plans going forward. Whenever you trade any player to any other team, technically you are helping them stock their cupboards anyways. That's what trades do. Again as I said in my post, if someone can give me a solid example of a Flames player being traded to a rival and having it bite us in the ass hard, I'm all ears. Otherwise it's just fans upset that a rival got one of our players.

A couple weeks ago would you have seen Sven as that player who would be helping us in a playoff push a couple seasons down the road? A couple days ago he was a long shot to make the team. He was being passed by other guys on our depth chart. Now suddenly because he's with Vancouver he's a threat to us who will ''come back to bite us in the ass''? Sorry but I'm not buying it. If anything, a trade like this just goes to show how good our prospect depth is that we can even consider making a trade like this.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I guess I always viewed the rebuild as really starting the day we drafted Monahan and everything else was a bonus.

I hate that he's gone, but I'm happy we have:

CGY 1st
CGY 2nd
WSH 2nd
VAN 2nd
CGY 3rd
WSH 3rd

This summer. That's rad.

Taking current standings:
15th;
45th;
48th;
50th;
75th;
(78th?);
80th.

That's a lot of early picks, especially if we also get Van's 3rd, and assuming it is Van's 2nd in 2015, as reported.
It's still not on nhl.com, though...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Dion

Often a change of scenery can help rejuvinate a players career. I wish his well.

I don't, I hope he busts huge. He is a dirty Nuck now.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Thomas Drance ‏@ThomasDrance 3m3 minutes ago
"We had conversations and we could never really find a solution for me." - Baertschi when asked by @MattSekeres if he requested a trade.

[Righteous1]

if it's a 2015 2nd and 3rd..i'm really happy!

[Ozy_Flame]

Let's create a tradition of trading Swiss players for 2nd's at the trade deadline.

Seeing as how Hiller is due up next year, another 2nd next year is in the bag!

[ricoFlame]

good lord, everyone is right, we should have waited for this kid to come around...like Rico Fata, Danny Tkachuk, Brent Krahn, Chris Chucko. It's about time they started unloading dead weight drafted prospects while they still have value.

Guy is a dud.

[Canada 02]

I recall hearing on St Louis Blues talk radio several years ago, Blues scout at that time, Jarmo Kekalainen? discussing the trade of 2009 1st rounder David Rundblad for a 2010 1st round pick. He said something to the effect of not falling in love with your draft picks, and cutting your losses early while the prospect still has value

The Blues turned Rundblad into Tarasenko because they had a good idea within a year of his draft that he was not developing the way they projected. Risky move if Rundblad turns into something, and Tarasenko didn't

Glad Flames management took the calculated risk of trading Sven now. Too bad previous Flames management couldn't pull it off with Chucko, Pelech, Irving etc

[Oling_Roachinen]

Herald already changed it to just a 2nd round pick.

[btimbit]

Some reports saying a 3rd round pick to calgary too? I don't think Vancouver had a 3rd this year so is that where he 2017 confusion comes in?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah, I was coming around to the same thinking.

Still pissed that it is Vancouver. If he busts out, we get to laugh. If he turns into Neiderreiter, I would rather he did it somewhere else.

Maybe, but Sven has to clear waivers with Vancouver. Vancouver could lose him on waivers, or they might have to keep him and bury a another prospect too. He was a pretty good prospect, but we're trying to reach back to what a prospect did when he was 19 from a 22 year old.... hoping he can go back to the quality of prospect as a 19 year old.

Also...

- the deal was done at the dying minutes of UFA, Sven has to clear waivers next year. This is just my interpretation, but a 2nd round pick was the most they felt they could get for him and Vancouver could have been the only one offering.

- Why Vancouver, the only team in the division? Vancouver might be the only team offering (or offered the most) because of the connection to Green (his former coach? or at least getting this from SN)

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
With news that Baertschi wasn't likely to re-sign here following this year, the deal with Vancouver makes a little more sense. #Flames

[sketchyt]

Baertschi has Oleg Saprykinitis. Tons of skill, can't stay on his feet. Guys like that don't typically excel in the NHL. Vancouver sounds like the perfect place for him, lol.

edit: Also surprised the Jets didn't take him. I know for a fact Chevy was a big Baertschi fan.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Righteous1

if it's a 2015 2nd and 3rd..i'm really happy!

It's not, the herald articule is updated with no mention of a 3rd.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have no problem with trading him for a 2nd, it seems obvious he wanted out of the Flames organization. To trade him to a huge division rival is just plain stupid though. His motivation will be huge to stick it to the Flames and he has the talent to do it. This will bite us in the ass, watch.

If that's what he requires--anger vs a former team on which he didn't show enough compete--to bring his game to the pro level...then chances are he can't. If you follow.