05-04-2014, 01:16 PM
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Sorry. Not your Dave.
Dan from Cardston.
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05-04-2014, 01:21 PM
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#322
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Originally Posted by Dan403
Sorry. Not your Dave.
Dan from Cardston.
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I'm confused. You're saying you know exactly what Dave Tallon wants and the exact reason why he would consider moving the picks, and you're not even Dave Tallon?
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05-04-2014, 01:22 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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Taking a look at FLA's roster, it isn't pretty, especially on D, which makes it curious why they wouldn't just take Ekblad.
That being said, if they want established NHLers, then the offer would be something like 1(1) for 1(4) and Hudler/Wideman. Wideman would help their dismal blue line and Hudler could definitely help mentor and add offence. I'd hate to give up Hudler though as it weakens an already weak right-side. I just don't think Wideman alone gets it done.
The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to just stay put.
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05-04-2014, 01:23 PM
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#324
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Dan403
This thread is really bad. The offers completely miss the point.
If Tallon is shopping the pick, He's shopping it because he needs to make the playoffs THIS YEAR.
That means that he is NOT INTERESTED in trading down, draft picks or prospects.
He needs PLAYERS. Established players who will make the difference between PLAYOFFS 2015 and Golf.
Every post that suggests offering our first, or seconds or prospects is completely off the mark.
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If your premise about Florida is correct, your conclusions may still be wrong. If Florida got a good piece to trade down from 1st to 3rd or 4th, they could still trade that 3rd or 4th overall for established players. It's not written in stone that they must keep the pick they receive back.
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05-04-2014, 01:23 PM
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#325
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by strombad
I'm confused. You're saying you know exactly what Dave Tallon wants and the exact reason why he would consider moving the picks, and you're not even Dave Tallon?
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Its not rocket science.
Put two and two together.
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05-04-2014, 01:30 PM
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#326
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Originally Posted by Dan403
Its not rocket science.
Put two and two together.
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Florida is shopping the pick which means only one thing: They are comfortable not having the top pick in the draft.
They could be interested in MORE picks, CLOSER prospects, ROSTER players, any of the above, a combination of the above, whatever.
Trading 1st overall certainly doesn't mean they only want roster players. But that's just me making four.
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05-04-2014, 01:43 PM
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#327
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strombad
I'm confused. You're saying you know exactly what Dave Tallon wants and the exact reason why he would consider moving the picks, and you're not even Dave Tallon?
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You must mean Dale Tallon.
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05-04-2014, 02:01 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strombad
I'm confused. You're saying you know exactly what Dave Tallon wants and the exact reason why he would consider moving the picks, and you're not even Dave Tallon?
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Who's this Dave Tallon? 
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05-04-2014, 02:12 PM
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#329
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It's called due diligence. He would be stupid not to make it public that he is willing to trade the number one pick. Scouts have the top 4 in various orders as well. From a Flames perspective I don't touch this - we could very well get who we want at #4 anyways.
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05-04-2014, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyMarsh
It's called due diligence. He would be stupid not to make it public that he is willing to trade the number one pick. Scouts have the top 4 in various orders as well. From a Flames perspective I don't touch this - we could very well get who we want at #4 anyways.
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I get it though.
If we could offload our garbage while retaining salary and land the #1 pick and keep the #4 pick then yeah, why wouldnt we do it?
Except for the reality part where you have to give quality to get quality and, as I've said before, I highly doubt Butler and Wideman get this deal done.
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05-04-2014, 02:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyMarsh
It's called due diligence. He would be stupid not to make it public that he is willing to trade the number one pick. Scouts have the top 4 in various orders as well. From a Flames perspective I don't touch this - we could very well get who we want at #4 anyways.
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From the Flames point of view, they should definitely explore, BUT NOT for the instance of simply moving up - they could indeed get "their guy" with the 4th pick with not a lot of separation between the consensus Top 4. I would hope they would explore going after the pick without giving up the 4th overall (or subsequent 1st rnders!). Not sure if they would be willing to give up what Tallon & the Panthers would want, but do the due, diligence, that is.
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05-04-2014, 02:30 PM
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I have a feeling Tallon is shopping this pick mostly outside of the top 4. He might have a player he likes ranked 5-10 and thinks he could get a nice NHL ready piece to go with him. Teams with extremely disappointing seasons might be willing to make a splash to their fanbases by getting the #1.
Toronto, Vancouver and Ottawa could fit the mix.
I also see Talon not wanting to take a Dman #1 overall...personally I wouldn't blame him either.
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05-04-2014, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
You must mean Dale Tallon.
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
Who's this Dave Tallon? |
Hahaha I lose!
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05-04-2014, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
I get it though.
If we could offload our garbage while retaining salary and land the #1 pick and keep the #4 pick then yeah, why wouldnt we do it?
Except for the reality part where you have to give quality to get quality and, as I've said before, I highly doubt Butler and Wideman get this deal done.
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Butler is a FA. I am not sure why he would be mentioned as a trade piece.
I would offer Wideman, Hudler and our second for the 1st. I highly doubt this gets it done, but it's a place to start. If i am Florida, i ask for Giordano and we say 'no'. If they took it, we will still have Colorado's second and our 3rd if we want to hop back up into the 2nd to get a player we want.
The thing we don't know is if the Flames FO thinks Ekblad is way above the rest of this draft class. Maybe, maybe not. But if they do, they may look to sweeten the pot. If they do, i would think it would be with the smaller skilled guys we have at LW. It's really the only position where we have depth. It's always good to trade from a strength.
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05-04-2014, 06:15 PM
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Franchise Player
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Here's one way of looking at it. Talon has said he likes Ehlers. I don't know if he likes him better than some others but lets just say he does. If so it makes sense to trade down if he can still get his man and yes he'll want a later first round pick +.
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05-04-2014, 08:23 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by kn
Taking a look at FLA's roster, it isn't pretty, especially on D, which makes it curious why they wouldn't just take Ekblad.
That being said, if they want established NHLers, then the offer would be something like 1(1) for 1(4) and Hudler/Wideman. Wideman would help their dismal blue line and Hudler could definitely help mentor and add offence. I'd hate to give up Hudler though as it weakens an already weak right-side. I just don't think Wideman alone gets it done.h
The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to just stay put.
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If I am Calgary I make that trade any day of the week, not so sure florida would though. Regardless of what people think of Ekbald, a potential first overall pick is going to get a better package then wideman and huldler IMO
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05-04-2014, 09:10 PM
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#338
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan403
This thread is really bad. The offers completely miss the point.
If Tallon is shopping the pick, He's shopping it because he needs to make the playoffs THIS YEAR.
That means that he is NOT INTERESTED in trading down, draft picks or prospects.
He needs PLAYERS. Established players who will make the difference between PLAYOFFS 2015 and Golf.
Every post that suggests offering our first, or seconds or prospects is completely off the mark.
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I think your opinion is pretty far off the mark. He wants to make playoffs but no way he trades the top PCM without getting a long term piece in return. Trading down and getting a vet is possible
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05-04-2014, 09:18 PM
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#339
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Meh, I'd rather the Flames draft whoever they draft at #4, take Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl/Dal Colle and keep what we have.
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05-04-2014, 09:28 PM
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#340
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Meh, I'd rather the Flames draft whoever they draft at #4, take Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl/Dal Colle and keep what we have.
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It all depends on what Tallon wants and what he can get. If he wants an established first line player, he'll have trouble because most of these players will have NT clauses.
If he wants to move down in the draft a few spots, he may just want another draft pick like a 2nd or a young secondary player like Byron. I don't know what he wants but it's worth exploring.
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