You'll be crying in 5 years when you see Burkes draft record, and make no mistake, GM title or not,it will be his drafting record.
Oh, and you wont be able to blame Button either because I see him fired after this years draft.
Well with solid facts like that who can argue.
Probably should just fold the Flames right now to save the team/fans the horror of T and T's made up fantasy draft picks that will happen in the future.
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Burke is going to draft a good player this year, after that who knows
other than Monahan which nhl proven player did feaster draft with the Flames? his record remains to be seen
Just so I am clear Feaster is a crappy GM because he could have got more for the trades he actually made (Bouw and Iggy for example) even though we have absolutely no evidence that that is true, he is a crappy GM because even though his picks have shown more potential than any 3 year stretch of Flames picks in two decades none are proven NHLer's yet but somehow Burke is a good trading GM because he refused to take less than market value on his trades (even though we have no way of knowing what he turned down or had the opportunity to get) and despite his borderline horrific drafting record throughout his career (only being able to hit on high first round picks more or less) we should have some faith that he will correct that....ok then. I am more than willing to say that Burke and Feaster are about equally below average at the job, only thing is that Burke is a better salesman for his average abilities.
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Just so I am clear Feaster is a crappy GM because he could have got more for the trades he actually made (Bouw and Iggy for example) even though we have absolutely no evidence that that is true, he is a crappy GM because even though his picks have shown more potential than any 3 year stretch of Flames picks in two decades none are proven NHLer's yet but somehow Burke is a good trading GM because he refused to take less than market value on his trades (even though we have no way of knowing what he turned down or had the opportunity to get) and despite his borderline horrific drafting record throughout his career (only being able to hit on high first round picks more or less) we should have some faith that he will correct that....ok then. I am more than willing to say that Burke and Feaster are about equally below average at the job, only thing is that Burke is a better salesman for his average abilities.
Burke has a long track record of solid trades and getting guys from the draft.
Feaster has a long track record of horrible trades and even worse draft picks.
Burke gets the benefit of the doubt because he brought in key aspects to the Ducks SC team, not just bringing in Fedotenko and then running them into the worse team in the league.
Burke didn't just hit on high draft picks he pulled off a pretty impressive deal to bring in both Sedins. What move has Feaster made that has been close to that? Burke then made a very impressive deal to bring in Chris Pronger to the Ducks. Again what move has Feaster made that is comparable? Burke added Selanne, MacDonald and Niedermayer to the Ducks, I guess some may compare that to the Fedotenko addition? Burke drafted Kesler at 23 and Umberger at 16 decent picks for those slots has Feaster had similar success in the mid-first round? Bieksa in the 5th is pretty good pick does Feaster have a guy at that level in his late round draft picks?
You can keep holding on to the non-trade of Cammalieri as some sort of proof that Burke is a crap GM but that doesn't come close to matching the career of crap that Feaster has put together.
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Burke has a long track record of solid trades and getting guys from the draft.
Feaster has a long track record of horrible trades and even worse draft picks.
Burke gets the benefit of the doubt because he brought in key aspects to the Ducks SC team, not just bringing in Fedotenko and then running them into the worse team in the league.
Burke didn't just hit on high draft picks he pulled off a pretty impressive deal to bring in both Sedins. What move has Feaster made that has been close to that? Burke then made a very impressive deal to bring in Chris Pronger to the Ducks. Again what move has Feaster made that is comparable? Burke added Selanne, MacDonald and Niedermayer to the Ducks, I guess some may compare that to the Fedotenko addition? Burke drafted Kesler at 23 and Umberger at 16 decent picks for those slots has Feaster had similar success in the mid-first round? Bieksa in the 5th is pretty good pick does Feaster have a guy at that level in his late round draft picks?
You can keep holding on to the non-trade of Cammalieri as some sort of proof that Burke is a crap GM but that doesn't come close to matching the career of crap that Feaster has put together.
The good things Feaster did (he did do good things, let's be fair) will never be enough to overcome not knowing the CBA, not confirming the rule, and signing ROR to that offer sheet knowing full well it could have cost him our 1st and 3rd rounders.
The rest is noise.
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Burke has a long track record of solid trades and getting guys from the draft.
Feaster has a long track record of horrible trades and even worse draft picks.
Don't be dense
Outside of a couple of no brainer picks (top 7 picks) Burke has done nothing for 10 years at the draft, christ, he even fought with the scouts to not take Ryan at #2 to take Pouliot or Johnson.
And lets not forget the debacle of giving away a top 5 center and and a really nice looking defenseman for a one dimensional goal scorer who crumbles like a creampuff when the tough gets going.
Feasters 2011 draft with only 5 picks will probably turn out better than the last decade of Burkes brutal picks (other than the no brainers of course)
Keep drinking the phoney blowhards kool-aid though...eventually you'll get it.
Feaster got fleeced for Richards, Boyle, Regehr, Iginla, Bouwmeester, etc. It's a pretty common theme of his. As for his drafting will see. It's pretty easy for young guys to crack a roster during a rebuild. Let's wait to see who actually become impact players on a contending team. Monahan was a no brainer pick. Not to mention I'd give the scouts most of the credit. Their the ones out there watching these guys and giving recommendations.
While we are discussing Feaster's tenure, there was a bit of 'sitting on his hands' going on.
You can argue that trading away Regehr was changing the core, and trying to sign Richards was trying to make this team better. You can talk about the RoR fiasco. Those were the biggest moves he made in trying to change this team.
The Cammalleri trade was just as much about getting rid of Bourque as it was about acquiring Cammalleri.
What was going on in those years from Sutter's dismissal until the rebuild?
I said about 1 year after Sutter was dismissed that the rebuild has started. I was only half-right.. or half-wrong, depending on how you look at it. Feaster stopped exchanging futures for the 'win-now' - something teams on the rise but who aren't 'ready' yet do, or teams that are in rebuilds. The Flames were on a slow decline.
They had a coach who in 3 years couldn't get the team to buy into his 'system', and constantly complained about it. What did Feaster do? He neither changed the core, nor did he change the coach.
The team was trending down, and he just stopped making futures for now trades, without a prospect pool with much in the way of help to get the ship righted. It was just sinking and sinking, and Feaster basically held the team in limbo.
Now, don't get me wrong - I am glad that the Feaster didn't make 'win-now' moves. That would probably have been a complete disaster in the long run. In a way, with hindsight anyways, I feel that even though the assets depreciated substantially, the Flames rebuild in 1 very strong draft year (last year), one 'meh' draft year (this year) and hopefully will draft high in what seems to be an exceptional year next year. Better than the few drafts prior to last year (imo).
It just seems like Feaster was 'sitting' on his hands trying to plug holes and do both sides at once. The model was Detroit - but Detroit had talent on both their NHL squad, and in their prospect pool. It is a great model to have, but the result should have been expected.
Feaster didn't decide until it was finally forced on him with the combination of Iginla's contract, boo-birds at the Dome, and the team's record. Up until that point, it was really in limbo. The rebuild crowd was fairly loud here - I was one of the 'suckers' for still believing and hoping. I thought that with proper drafting, the Flames could really be successful without having to undergo a rebuild - but that was proven dead wrong.
It was a good 2 years of staying in limbo under Feaster - though I do have to praise him for adding to the scouting staff and to allow said scouting staff to do their jobs. This is going to pay dividends in the next couple of years.
Outside of a couple of no brainer picks (top 7 picks) Burke has done nothing for 10 years at the draft, christ, he even fought with the scouts to not take Ryan at #2 to take Pouliot or Johnson.
And lets not forget the debacle of giving away a top 5 center and and a really nice looking defenseman for a one dimensional goal scorer who crumbles like a creampuff when the tough gets going.
Feasters 2011 draft with only 5 picks will probably turn out better than the last decade of Burkes brutal picks (other than the no brainers of course)
Keep drinking the phoney blowhards kool-aid though...eventually you'll get it.
Feaster has done nothing at the draft outside of your BS probably. Probably isn't impressive.
Since when are top 7 picks no brainers? Kadri was better than guys chosen around him and not a "typical" Burke selection, Reilly was a good selection at 5.
And why are we only looking at the past 10 years? So we can eliminate good picks that Burke has made?
Plus draft picks are probably the least influence that a GM has of any of the areas of his job that he does.
That top forward that Burke gave up has already been dealt from his team for attitude concerns and Kessell is a top 5 scorer over the past 3 years. I don't think it is a great trade for Burke and not a fan of Kessel at all but it is far from the horrible deal people try to make it out to be.
And again instead of defending Feaster is an all out attack on Burke to try and deflect. The great defenders of Feasters two big weapons try to point out he isn't as bad as others (and failing to do so) and talking about how this could be good and that could be good. Never discussing what actually happened or his awful record just trying to deflect blame and move the argument away from looking at what happened.
Burke has a long track record of solid trades and getting guys from the draft.
Feaster has a long track record of horrible trades and even worse draft picks.
Burke gets the benefit of the doubt because he brought in key aspects to the Ducks SC team, not just bringing in Fedotenko and then running them into the worse team in the league.
Feaster made a number of moves on that TB team
1) He brought in a guy named Cory Stillman. You might know him, he used to be a Flame. Stillman was second on the team in scoring in the regular season with 80 points (7th in the league in scoring)
2) He brought in Fedotenko
3) He brought in Sydor to round out the defence.
He was also the longterm assistant GM on that team and was at a minimum part of the decision making process for other moves.
1) He brought in a guy named Cory Stillman. You might know him, he used to be a Flame. Stillman was second on the team in scoring in the regular season with 80 points (7th in the league in scoring)
2) He brought in Fedotenko
3) He brought in Sydor to round out the defence.
He was also the longterm assistant GM on that team and was at a minimum part of the decision making process for other moves.
3 moves is far from a number but more than Fedotenko. I give Stillman credit for the regular season points although his 7 play-off points gives question to how much he contributed to the SC win.
But you are right it was more than just Fedotenko just not much more and not a whole lot to help that team win the Cup.
Hard to say how much a role he played in other moves but based on his comments as GM here hard to imagine he had a ton of say in scouting or drafting.
I gotta laugh at folks who think the timing of the rebuild and the decision to trade Iginla were in Feaster's hands. King and Edwards weren't ready to pull the plug on the Iginla era until halfway through last season. They weren't about to employ a GM who told them what they didn't want to hear.
That's the reason a new layer was added to the Flames management structure - to keep the guy in King's role from meddling in hockey operations anymore.
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Huh? How would anyone know either way? Do you? What an odd thing to laugh at. You're doing the exact same speculating that they are.
Well Feaster said repeatedly that he believed in where the team was going, was not the right guy for a rebuild, the team was competitive, the team should try to win with Iginla and finally that he misjudged where the team was.
There isn't any reason to believe that he was lying when he said all those things and if he didn't believe in what they were doing hard to imagine he would have been so vocal about supporting it.
Sure it isn't 100% proof but it is a hell of a lot more than anyone saying Feaster was just a puppet going against what he thought was best and doing what King/ownership wanted. Because there is 0 evidence of that.
You'll be crying in 5 years when you see Burkes draft record, and make no mistake, GM title or not,it will be his drafting record.
Oh, and you wont be able to blame Button either because I see him fired after this years draft.
Burke drafts well in the top 10 and can trade better than most if not all the GM's in the league. This will be his 1 draft as GM as someone will be hired this summer
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