[Trade] Reto Berra to the Avs for a *2014 2nd round pick*

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames need to get more picks in the top 100. Ideally they would have 8 or 9 in that range in each of the next 3 years. We need to get more high end skill in the organization and that only gets there if you've got a lot of darts towards the top of the draft to try and hit the mark.

I'm kind of hoping Burke's plan B is to keep Cammalleri, then move off Hudler for good picks/prospects.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Totally forgot that set up, unique for sure. Thanks for the correction.

Yup, pretty sure Roy wouldn't of left Quebec without having that extra control, definitely a different type of setup.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Chicago and LA stockpiled picks like hoarders in the period just after the lockout if I remember correctly.

They did alright.

Did they ever have 8 or 9 in the top 100?

Chicago twice had 6 in the top 100 but I can't recall any team ever having 8

[Caged Great]

In order to go through the rebuild successfully, we really need to get as many prospects as possible that have some potential.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Hudler could definitely fetch a decent return at the draft, however I like him as a Flame.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I much prefer to get higher picks, but we need more than the 7 total picks that we have now.

Team building is much more than just stockpiling picks. We have seven picks now, but two of the ones we traded were turned into pieces more valuable than what we gave up. That is the real key to building better teams.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Did they ever have 8 or 9 in the top 100?

Chicago twice had 6 in the top 100 but I can't recall any team ever having 8

I don't think they did actually. Even if it's a bit unrealistic to do so, I don't think it would be that hard.

We could trade Hudler for a mid/late 1st + 3rd and that would jump us to 7.

[puckluck2]

Wow what a great trade. A second rounder for a guy who has shown pretty much nothing at the NHL level and has a bunch of weaknesses? Awesome.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Team building is much more than just stockpiling picks. We have seven picks now, but two of the ones we traded were turned into pieces more valuable than what we gave up. That is the real key to building better teams.

I definitely agree. We could also move "depth" prospects similarly for guys as well.

I would prefer us getting more high end prospects though. If you look at our recent picks from the past 3 years in the top 4 rounds, we have got

Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk, Gillies, Sieloff, Jankowski, Kulak, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Baertschi and Kanzig.

The only one that is not very good is Kanzig from that group. Every other one of those guys is trending towards becoming solid NHLers in some aspect.

That's why if I am a bit bullish on getting picks from the top 100 or so there's a good reason.

Additionally, this year, there seem to be a number of good defensemen that are in the middle of the 2nd round/middle of the third round that might become those random guys that develop into something very good like what Damon Severson is doing for NJ.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

So wait, why are there asterisks around the pick in the title again? It's not conditional is it?

okaaaayyy….so I'm going to take everyone's silence as a fact that the asterisks mean nothing…


thanks?

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

okaaaayyy….so I'm going to take everyone's silence as a fact that the asterisks mean nothing…


thanks?

Not sure why they are there, maybe just to symbolize the return, but its not a conditional pick.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Way I see it, Berra and Henrik Karlsson are very much one and the same. Karlsson gets a 7th rounder, yet Burke pulls a 2nd rounder out of his ass!?

Awesome, awesome deal.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Did they ever have 8 or 9 in the top 100?

Chicago twice had 6 in the top 100 but I can't recall any team ever having 8

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005763.html

FLA had 7 in the top 100 of 2011 with four of them being fourth rounds. Too early to tell on that draft though.

FLA also had 7 in the top 100 of 2010 including three 1sts and three 2nds. Again a bit too early to tell. Bjugstad looks good to me, Gudbranson may yet turn the corner.

[flamesfan1297]

kris Russell is worth more to this team than fifth round pick. It is more valuable to move your higher round picks for players like Russel, that can be a key piece to the future. Same with the Colborne trade.

[Scoreface]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Missing our 4th from the Colborne deal and our 5th from the Russell deal.

And that's perfectly fine.

[Enoch Root]

yup, during the 4th round, I am going to be thinking 'Colborne'. And during the 5th, I'll be thinking 'Russell'.

After those two rounds I'll be thinking: well played

[corporatejay]

Hold on. We got a second round pick for Berra? Wow.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Did they ever have 8 or 9 in the top 100?

Chicago twice had 6 in the top 100 but I can't recall any team ever having 8

Buffalo had 7 in the top 100 of 2013, if you include Carrier (#57) who they just acquired in the Miller trade.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Way I see it, Berra and Henrik Karlsson are very much one and the same. Karlsson gets a 7th rounder, yet Burke pulls a 2nd rounder out of his ass!?

Awesome, awesome deal.

Naw. Karlsson was garbage all the time behind a decent team. Berra was inconsistent and allowed his share of bad goals, but when looking at the grand scheme he was a decent first year goaltender that was exploited on a really bad team.

[nik-]

I'm not sure what Berra's habit of losing his net and going swimming have to do with a bad team in front of him. Those seem like fundamentals to me, and he was pretty scary in them sometimes.