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FlamesAddiction · 10-08-2013, 01:37 PM

Hartley is also known to be a pretty cerebral coach. If you believe in the merits of sports psychology, there are other reasons why he might not want to make it too easy for Ramo to sieze the starting position, or for MacDonald to lose it too easily for that matter.

Half the job of being a coach is knowing how to push the buttons of the players.

Parallex · 10-08-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by strombad

his first game wasn't any better than anything Mac has done

MacDonald: Two Game Stats: 3.93GAA & 0.867SV%
Ramo: One Game Stats: 3.69GAA & 0.897SV%

Looks slightly better to me. Certainly good enough to warrent getting more starts. It's just dumb to play MacDonald and have Ramo sit.

strombad · 10-08-2013, 01:38 PM

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Except it wasn't, at all.

Sorry, my mind reading machine is broken. You'll have to elaborate with more than a sentence if you have a point you're trying to make.
Did you watch the game? Looking at stats, Ramo was the victim of power plays and a pretty stellar team. But if you watched the game he didn't look solid at all. But go ahead, pretend Ramo played a great game while letting in 5 goals.
He didn't, neither did Mac, but if people are using "well their similar so why not" as their reason for Ramo starting then they're out to lunch. Honestly, if Hartley starts making decisions with the reasoning of "well, why not!" then we should be prepared to lose every game.

Parallex · 10-08-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by strombad

But if you watched the game he didn't look solid at all.

I did watch the game... and he looked more solid then MacDonald did in either of his two.

Muta · 10-08-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I am truly hoping you forgot to add green text to this post, otherwise......

Nope. Not sure why I need to, either. I've watched Joey Mac over the years and he's shown flashes. He has to now get more consistent. For this reason, I have no problem giving him games, since that would be what he needs to help him see success consistently.

Jacks · 10-08-2013, 01:52 PM

Haven't read the whole thread but has anyone considered that maybe Ramo has some sort of short term health issue?
Maybe he tweaked a muscle?
Maybe he had Mexican for lunch?

northcrunk · 10-08-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

MacDonald: Two Game Stats: 3.93GAA & 0.867SV%
Ramo: One Game Stats: 3.69GAA & 0.897SV%

Looks slightly better to me. Certainly good enough to warrent getting more starts. It's just dumb to play MacDonald and have Ramo sit.

I would preffer Ramo gets the start as he lost the start after loosing in a shoot out just like MacDonald. Did MacDonald play the habs last year and win?

Wastedyouth · 10-08-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Nope. Not sure why I need to, either. I've watched Joey Mac over the years and he's shown flashes. He has to now get more consistent. For this reason, I have no problem giving him games, since that would be what he needs to help him see success consistently.

Well if you truly believe that then we can end our conversation here because you are clearly delusional.

Muta · 10-08-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Well if you truly believe that then we can end our conversation here because you are clearly delusional.

I definitely do not have enough crayons to explain this to you.

vilzeh · 10-08-2013, 03:01 PM

Mac was AWFUL against Vancouver, just awful. Ramo didn't let any stinkers in his first game, not as bad as Mac did.

IamNotKenKing · 10-08-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vilzeh

Mac was AWFUL against Vancouver, just awful. Ramo didn't let any stinkers in his first game, not as bad as Mac did.

That's quite an overstatement. He was awful on the third goal, but not awful throughout, in my opinion.

Street Pharmacist · 10-08-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vilzeh

Mac was AWFUL against Vancouver, just awful. Ramo didn't let any stinkers in his first game, not as bad as Mac did.

He made some nice saves too
One bad goal imo

Yakbutter · 10-08-2013, 03:40 PM

It's obvious Mac is getting more starts at the moment so Ramo can adjust to the game. Let Ramo play a game here and there while learning NHL shooters tendencies in practice.

If it's halfway through the season and Ramo has had less than 5 starts I could see the frustration of not giving Ramo a chance. But seriously it's 4 games into the season...take a deep breath.

Ozy_Flame · 10-08-2013, 03:54 PM

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Well if you truly believe that then we can end our conversation here because you are clearly delusional.

Why?

Most good goaltenders take a heck of a long time to develop. Some don't play their best hockey until later in their careers.

Joey Mac has been a great waiver wire pickup, and is currently our most reliable goaltender. He's not a #1 by any means, but I think he can improve. He hasn't been given an extended look as a starting goalie even at 33. That one year with the Islanders was on a mess of a team, and split time with Dannis while their true #1 was out with injury (Dipietro).

I think Joey can still improve, even in his early 30's.

FlamesAddiction · 10-08-2013, 04:15 PM

Ramo wasn't that bad. He was actually looking pretty solid in the first part of the game. Once the team broke down around him and Ovechkin does what star players do, he started scrambling as much as the rest of the team. Maybe that is where an experienced guy like MacDonald comes in handy... he doesn't get too high or too low.

I can't help but think that being the 1st game of the season and the first NHL game for him in 4 years, that he was a little nervous and that played a roll. I'm not sure if keeping him out will calm his nerves or make him more afraid to screw up.

Bourque's Twin · 10-08-2013, 04:18 PM

Unless MacDeezy plays lights out tomorrow night I see Ramo getting the start against NJ on Friday.

Vulcan · 10-08-2013, 04:20 PM

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I think Joey can still improve, even in his early 30's.

From what I've seen, he was playing better last season, so he ain't improving.

moon · 10-08-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Why?

Most good goaltenders take a heck of a long time to develop. Some don't play their best hockey until later in their careers.

Joey Mac has been a great waiver wire pickup, and is currently our most reliable goaltender. He's not a #1 by any means, but I think he can improve. He hasn't been given an extended look as a starting goalie even at 33. That one year with the Islanders was on a mess of a team, and split time with Dannis while their true #1 was out with injury (Dipietro).

I think Joey can still improve, even in his early 30's.

Great waiver pick up? He was a sub-.500 goalie with stats that put in the late-30's in terms of NHL goalies. He was pretty much what you would expect a waiver wire back-up goalie to be mediocre to bad.

And what indication is there that he will improve in his early (and that is being kind) 30's? 99% of the players, goalies included, do not get better and get worse at his age. Why would he buck the trend?

He has spent his whole career showing that he is a back-up and not close to starting material. When given a ton of games in NYI one season he was awful, Detroit thought he was so close to starting they waived him to the minors.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-08-2013, 04:44 PM

Ramo used to be part of the Canadiens organization, no?

Regardless, as I've already mentioned, this concern about Ramo not playing at this point is rediculous, Hartley has a lot more info that we do and likely has some very good reasons for not playing him. But, maybe one of them is he doesn't want Ramo to have the early pressure of facing a team that "gave up on him" at one point this early in the season as he gets used to the NHL game.

Ozy_Flame · 10-08-2013, 04:51 PM

Moon -

Pretty sure I remember a week or two ago somewhere Feaster said he didn't want to waive Joey Mac because he'd get claimed. I'm not sure "bad" is the way to describe a waiver wire pickup if the team sees value in retaining him. Just because Detroit cast him away doesn't make him damaged goods. He was good for Calgary last season for what he was- a waiver wire pickup. Pretty sure he earned his contract renewal too (8 wins, 2.87 GAA). In fact, I think this thread is characteristic of that:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=127202

Correct me if I'm wrong, but until Ramo puts his skills where his contract is, Joey Mac is our defacto #1 goalie right now.