Season Kick-off pressers Sept 30. Burke @ 11:45 AM. Feaster @ 1 PM

[nik-]

Originally Posted by $ven27

What he did/said was done to improve the team/Sven.

How about we watch him play some games first before we decide? Sven was given bull#### minutes last year before he was sent down, when he came back up he was fine. He hasn't had a great pre season, but those games don't matter. His words did nothing to make the Flames better.

[Flambé]

Not sure where the comments are coming from about Sven thinking the prospect camp was beneath him. They interviewed him on the FAN and he was talking about going there to be a leader for the young guys and seemed happy to do it.

It really seems that this is just a case of too much time before the real games are being played and Sven can "prove" himself. Media needs something to talk about I guess.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, that's fine. But I'm of the mindset that he should do just one thing to improve the team, just one god damned thing, before he opens his mouth.

If thats the case why have i had to listen to Feaster for the past 2-3 years? I'm still waiting for his big improvement.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If thats the case why have i had to listen to Feaster for the past 2-3 years? I'm still waiting for his big improvement.

I'm not sure how misplaced confidence in Feaster makes Burke any more right.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The key is chemistry, and that's something intangible that nobody can predict. Did anybody see the 2004 group gelling the way they did? Heck no, and Darryl Sutter basically went mad trying to replicate that chemistry in Calgary for the rest of his tenure.

The comments yesterday about the team hanging out together off-ice gives me some optimism for the year, though.

The key is talent.

That 2004 team goes nowhere if they don't have arguably the best player in the world in Iginla and arguably the best goalie as well. Throw in a top level defender (Regehr) and top level coaching and the chemistry was nice but much further down the list than straight out talent.

It's great that they are all buddy/buddy off the ice but that likely has about .2% of an effect when they are playing teams with much more talent than they have.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not sure how misplaced confidence in Feaster makes Burke any more right.

If you really thought that bringing in Burke was going to mean a big trade for the Flames to start the season you couldn't be more wrong. The only thing the Flames had was cap space which meant nothing.

My biggest concern are not Burkes comments on Sven, but Sven's comments about how he felt he did not feel he should have to go to Young Tourny. That kid has some growing up to do. Less than 25 games in the NHL and he feels he shouldn't have to go? Give me a break. He had done nothing in the NHL to that point.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The key is chemistry, and that's something intangible that nobody can predict. Did anybody see the 2004 group gelling the way they did? Heck no, and Darryl Sutter basically went mad trying to replicate that chemistry in Calgary for the rest of his tenure.

The comments yesterday about the team hanging out together off-ice gives me some optimism for the year, though.

I was watching Chicago, Washington game the other day, Chicago, they are fast and relentless, every shift they have the puck they head to the opposition net as if they are going to score. They have this pack mentality that they are expected to win and play like there is no looking back. If our young guys can play with lots of speed and play an inspired team game get on some nice winning streaks they believe in themselves they could do some damage. We absolutely can't have guys standing around or taking nights off if they want to build a winning culture. I believe under the right situation this team can make the playoffs and what a better way to show Edmonton that we won't make excuses for losing.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by nik-

How about we watch him play some games first before we decide? Sven was given bull#### minutes last year before he was sent down, when he came back up he was fine. He hasn't had a great pre season, but those games don't matter. His words did nothing to make the Flames better.

He was asked what he had seen in Sven so far, so what did you expect him to say? He told it like he saw it.

Some of you are in for a long rebuild if you are going to flip out whenever there is the slightest criticism of a prospect.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by moon

The key is talent.

That 2004 team goes nowhere if they don't have arguably the best player in the world in Iginla and arguably the best goalie as well. Throw in a top level defender (Regehr) and top level coaching and the chemistry was nice but much further down the list than straight out talent.

It's great that they are all buddy/buddy off the ice but that likely has about .2% of an effect when they are playing teams with much more talent than they have.

So how about Columbus last season? Was their (moderate granted) success strictly a result of Bobrovsky's play? Or was it a matter of a similar group of guys to what we have this season coming together and playing like a team. Phoenix has been doing it for years now.

Of course with Hartley coaching I don't think there will be a system in place that will allow this team to succeed. I hate to say it, but Brent Sutter would be the perfect coach for this group.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

So how about Columbus last season? Was their (moderate granted) success strictly a result of Bobrovsky's play? Or was it a matter of a similar group of guys to what we have this season coming together and playing like a team. Phoenix has been doing it for years now.

Of course with Hartley coaching I don't think there will be a system in place that will allow this team to succeed. I hate to say it, but Brent Sutter would be the perfect coach for this group.

Good god man, were you mindwiped?

Spoiler!

[moon]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

So how about Columbus last season? Was their (moderate granted) success strictly a result of Bobrovsky's play? Or was it a matter of a similar group of guys to what we have this season coming together and playing like a team. Phoenix has been doing it for years now.

Of course with Hartley coaching I don't think there will be a system in place that will allow this team to succeed. I hate to say it, but Brent Sutter would be the perfect coach for this group.

Colombus had the Vezina trophy winner and the benefit of a short season and most importantly as you somewhat mention they didn't really have a tone of success as they finished 9th.

Phoenix again has had great goaltending and moderate success. They also have had more talent than this current Flames team has.

I also did give credit to great coaching earlier and see that as an asset. Unfortunately for the Flames this is another area they are lacking in.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Mitch

He was asked what he had seen in Sven so far, so what did you expect him to say? He told it like he saw it.

Some of you are in for a long rebuild if you are going to flip out whenever there is the slightest criticism of a prospect.

Nik lacks confidence, stop acting like Burke!

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by nik-

so he's obviously instrumental in us trading to bring in a garbage prospect in colborne and then talks down about sven? I'm already over burke.

Originally Posted by nik-

how about we watch him play some games first before we decide? sven was given bull#### minutes last year before he was sent down, when he came back up he was fine. He hasn't had a great pre season, but those games don't matter. His words did nothing to make the flames better.

lol

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by moon

Colombus had the Vezina trophy winner and the benefit of a short season and most importantly as you somewhat mention they didn't really have a tone of success as they finished 9th.

Phoenix again has had great goaltending and moderate success. They also have had more talent than this current Flames team has.

I also did give credit to great coaching earlier and see that as an asset. Unfortunately for the Flames this is another area they are lacking in.

Yeah, I think through the course of that post I kind of answered all my questions anyways.

[t_cizzo]

Originally Posted by moon

The key is talent.

That 2004 team goes nowhere if they don't have arguably the best player in the world in Iginla and arguably the best goalie as well. Throw in a top level defender (Regehr) and top level coaching and the chemistry was nice but much further down the list than straight out talent.

It's great that they are all buddy/buddy off the ice but that likely has about .2% of an effect when they are playing teams with much more talent than they have.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by moon

The key is talent.

That 2004 team goes nowhere if they don't have arguably the best player in the world in Iginla and arguably the best goalie as well. Throw in a top level defender (Regehr) and top level coaching and the chemistry was nice but much further down the list than straight out talent.

It's great that they are all buddy/buddy off the ice but that likely has about .2% of an effect when they are playing teams with much more talent than they have.

You greatly underrate chemistry.

Nashville has only been competitive for years because of chemistry and good coaching. Sure, they have Weber, and even Suter for a while, but it is their chemistry, coaching and work ethic that has made that club more competitive than they 'should' be.

Flames vs Detroit in the '04 playoffs. Are you kidding me? I personally put down a bet against the Wings just because I didn't think they were capable of withstanding Calgary's relentless forecheck and physical play, but Detroit's talent compared to the Flames was almost like comparing an NHL team to a decent Junior team. Flames made that run from good coaching, chemistry, and probably a bit of swagger/intimidation thrown in as well. Yes - Kipper, Iginla, Regehr - they were instrumental as well, but it was NOT talent that got that club to a phantom goal's breath of Lord Stanley.

If it was talent as you say, then the NYR should have been a fantastic dynasty all throughout the 90's and the early part of the 2000's. They bought all the talent their hearts could desire, and only once winning the cup.

Ideally, the most talented club with the least amount of injuries, the most chemistry, the most leadership, the best coaching, and the best luck end up winning the cup. Talent is important, but talent alone just wins you more coverage, expectations and possibly a few more tickets sold at the gate.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You greatly underrate chemistry.

Nashville has only been competitive for years because of chemistry and good coaching. Sure, they have Weber, and even Suter for a while, but it is their chemistry, coaching and work ethic that has made that club more competitive than they 'should' be.

Flames vs Detroit in the '04 playoffs. Are you kidding me? I personally put down a bet against the Wings just because I didn't think they were capable of withstanding Calgary's relentless forecheck and physical play, but Detroit's talent compared to the Flames was almost like comparing an NHL team to a decent Junior team. Flames made that run from good coaching, chemistry, and probably a bit of swagger/intimidation thrown in as well. Yes - Kipper, Iginla, Regehr - they were instrumental as well, but it was NOT talent that got that club to a phantom goal's breath of Lord Stanley.

If it was talent as you say, then the NYR should have been a fantastic dynasty all throughout the 90's and the early part of the 2000's. They bought all the talent their hearts could desire, and only once winning the cup.

Ideally, the most talented club with the least amount of injuries, the most chemistry, the most leadership, the best coaching, and the best luck end up winning the cup. Talent is important, but talent alone just wins you more coverage, expectations and possibly a few more tickets sold at the gate.

Chemistry can help, although I think bad chemistry kills team a lot more than good chemistry helps, but chemistry is nothing without talent.

Nashville has done not a whole lot and had great players in Weber, Suter, Rinne, Vokoun with a great coach. The Flames again had great talent in 04 in Iginla and Kipper, they don't beat the Red Wings with the same or better chemistry and replacing Iggy/Kipper with Stempniak/Ramo.

The Rangers seem to have bigger issues with fit than chemistry. Having big names isn't a road to success. I am not sure I have heard a ton of issues they have had in terms of chemistry.

It was most definitely talent that got the Flames to the Cup finals and a goal that was in from winning the Cup. Again take Iggy and Kipper off the team all the happiness and buddy/buddy feelings in the world get them a top 5 pick that year.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

First day of the 2013/14 season and we have the first contender for overreaction post of the year award. I will give you credit for realizing the ridiculousness of your post but holy smokes.

As I said call it an over reaction if you wish but I made the same points in the thread when Burke was hired, I see him starting to move some of our prospects out. People can say that he was only repposnding to a request from the media but he could have said no to the interview, he said when hired he would stay in the background, that lasted a long time.

As i said before i don't like the guy, his style or his hiring but that's just me.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by UKflames

As I said call it an over reaction if you wish but I made the same points in the thread when Burke was hired, I see him starting to move some of our prospects out. People can say that he was only repposnding to a request from the media but he could have said no to the interview, he said when hired he would stay in the background, that lasted a long time.

As i said before i don't like the guy, his style or his hiring but that's just me.

This wasn't an interview! Burke was present and responding to questions during the team's season kick-off press conference. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of this hand-wringing and whining about Burke "stealing the limelight" is massively overblown by this incident. In the first place, as the President of Hockey Operatons it should come as no surprise to not only expect Burke to be present for his team's first official PC of the 2013–14 season, but further that he WILL be imposed upon to answer some questions about the team.

Second, Burke's position is a new one in the Flames organisation, and a rarity in the NHL (there are only three-in-total NHL Presidents of Hockey Operations). Because of this, there will also be some latitude extended with regards to what that means in terms of his media expectations and availability with regards to on-ice matters. In other words, this is NOT the same as had Ken King come forward to participate in the season kickoff, and then to respond to questions about the team. This is no different than seeing John Davidson participating in team press conferences.

Finally, I think people are also misinterpreting Burke's statement about staying out of the limelight as disingenuous from this incident. He did NOT claim that he would avoid media availability altogether, only that he would not be the face and the voice of the Calgary Flames front office on a day-to-day basis. His appearance in this press conference did nothing to affect that. I imagine that this was in the plans all along, and that we should expect Burke to be present for season start-ups, season wrap-ups, playoff kickoffs, draft availabilities, etc. His job is hockey operations, and as such, his presence, public persona and opinion will be constantly sought and frequently forwarded in any event that fits this job description.

I have not been a big fan of Burke's in the past, and I too have been put off by his confrontational style, but so far, I can't see any reason to complain about his time with the Calgary Flames, and I don't expect that these qualities will in any way interfere with the success of the team or the vision for the Flames' future.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by fotze

Blah, blah, blah... Like being told you are gay when you thought you were straight your whole life. Blah, blah, blah