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[puckluck2]

You're delusional. Religion is my excuse for being "dumb", what's your excuse for being such an ignorant person filled with hatred?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

You're delusional. Religion is my excuse for being "dumb", what's your excuse for being such an ignorant person filled with hatred?

You can call me an ignorant person because I fight for my views on religion but despite what you think I don't hate anyone!

[ignite09]

Wow T@T. Gotta say as a fellow Atheist, your a prime example of how ignorance and intolerance are a human disease not just a religious one.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

....and that money is not used to help the sick, homless and hungry?

How much of it Dion?

There are thousands of these around the world,were they built by Gods money? Did God make the catholic church the worlds riches organization on the planet

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Wow T@T. Gotta say as a fellow Atheist, your a prime example of how ignorance and intolerance are a human disease not just a religious one.

Explain please

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

How much of it Dion?

There are thousands of these around the world,were they built by Gods money? Did God make the catholic church the worlds riches organization on the planet

Gods money???

Please explain how God instructed the Catholic to build these?

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by T@T

Explain please

Honestly man, I don't think there is any way for me too make you see it if you don't already. Your consistent attacks of other people based purely on a belief, your fantasy land faith in a massive drop in violence/racism/intolerance without religion. Despite the fact western society is as violent now as it has ever been even with a solid rise in Atheism. You simply come across as very hate filled.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

You're delusional. Religion is my excuse for being "dumb", what's your excuse for being such an ignorant person filled with hatred?

you know for a person that is defending religious zelots and calling people ignorant and dumb is freaking hillarious.

Keep on preaching that you're not a hateful person when the only thing you've done is bag on people for displaying what they believe in.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

Gods money???

Please explain how God instructed the Catholic to build these?

It was a question for you

For every dollar you put in the churches coffer how much of every dollar do you think goes to help the sick, homeless and hungry?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Get rid of religion and the world is a better place.

The world would not be a better place......

Jeffrey Dahmer, an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”. He brutally killed seventeen men and boys, dismembering them, storing their parts and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia. In 1991, he was caught by the police after one of his would-be victims escaped. Despite pleading not guilty on the basis on insanity, the court found him sane and fully accountable. He later expressed remorse.

Jim Jones drew people into atheism through the People’s Temple, largely based in California. He said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. In 1978, 909 people at the restricted communist “sanctuary” he presided over in Jonestown, Guyana, committed “revolutionary suicide” at his command. This occurred after the arrival of an American delegation, which he claimed was conspiring against the People’s Temple. Men, women and children took a vial of cyanide and died within five minutes. Only a few people escaped. This event was the largest single loss of American civilian life, in a non-natural disaster, up until 9/11. This entry has the unique status of being on both the atheism and Christianity list. The reason is that the majority of people considered Jones to be the leader of a type of Christian cult, but, as the quote above illustrates, it was really a ruse to attract people who would otherwise have steered well clear of him.

Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee, from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.

Than Shwe is the 77 year old dictator of Myanmar/Burma, the head of the ruling military junta. He has overseen the formation of one of the most closed societies in the world. There is no notion of free press, and journalists who opposed his regime are detained. Aung Suu Kyi, the leader of the main opposition party, is kept in house detention by him. Civil servants are forbidden from resigning. Burma has the highest rate of child soldiers in the world, and uses forced labor on construction projects. As far as dictators go, Than Shwe keeps a relatively low, and even sullen, profile. Nevertheless, he reportedly leads an extravagant lifestyle, while his people continue to suffer a life of extreme poverty and natural disasters. In the aftermath of Cyclone Nargis, he refused entry into the country for many foreign aid organizations

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-p...sm-a-bad-name/

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Honestly man, I don't think there is any way for me too make you see it if you don't already. Your consistent attacks of other people based purely on a belief, your fantasy land faith in a massive drop in violence/racism/intolerance without religion. Despite the fact western society is as violent now as it has ever been even with a solid rise in Atheism. You simply come across as very hate filled.

If someone wants to argue religion I will attack it till the day I stop breathing...this is my faith.

I will also help people in need despite their beliefs.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by PIMking

you know for a person that is defending religious zelots and calling people ignorant and dumb is freaking hillarious.

Keep on preaching that you're not a hateful person when the only thing you've done is bag on people for displaying what they believe in.

Who did I call dumb? Can you read? And I defended religious zealots? Where did I do that?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Honestly man, I don't think there is any way for me too make you see it if you don't already. Your consistent attacks of other people based purely on a belief, your fantasy land faith in a massive drop in violence/racism/intolerance without religion. Despite the fact western society is as violent now as it has ever been even with a solid rise in Atheism. You simply come across as very hate filled.

I agree with your overall point, but I'm not sure that the statistics support the bolded part. I could be wrong, but I believe that western society is actually significantly less violent now than it was a few decades ago, though that probably has nothing to do with the rise of atheism. The trend towards treating homosexuals like human beings, though, I think is much more connected to the decline of religion. The further that religion falls out of favor, the better, but I don't think belittling religious people will further that cause.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Who did I call dumb? Can you read? And I defended religious zealots? Where did I do that?

Reading comp failure on my part.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

It was a question for you

For every dollar you put in the churches coffer how much of every dollar do you think goes to help the sick, homeless and hungry?

No point in answering your question. You clearly can't or choose not believe that religious organizations do help the sick, homeless and hungry. Your blind hatred for religion blinds you to any good it does

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

The world would not be a better place......



http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-p...sm-a-bad-name/

Your seriously bringing up 2 American psychopaths and 2 crazy dictators in your arguement?

I could post 100 to your 1 and you know it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Your seriously bringing up 2 American psychopaths and 2 crazy dictators in your arguement?

I could post 100 to your 1 and you know it.

Removing religion is not going to make this world a better place. People will find other means/excuses to persue their hatred and violence. You're dreaming if you think this world would somehow become a better place.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I agree with your overall point, but I'm not sure that the statistics support the bolded part. I could be wrong, but I believe that western society is actually significantly less violent now than it was a few decades ago, though that probably has nothing to do with the rise of atheism. The trend towards treating homosexuals like human beings, though, I think is much more connected to the decline of religion. The further that religion falls out of favor, the better, but I don't think belittling religious people will further that cause.

I don't have exact numbers either, but look at it since the turn of the century. How many people have been killed by western soldiers? I'd say equal to any number killed since world war 2 over a decade and a half span. Look at the streets of North America? Maybe I'm off but I haven't heard of any kind of a drop in violent crimes. I agree the world would be a better place without most of the religious conservatism, but to say racism and violence will see a massive drop is foolish IMO.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

No point in answering your question. You clearly can't or choose not believe that religious organizations do help the sick, homeless and hungry. Your blind hatred for religion blinds you to any good it does

I didn't say they didn't but at least admit it's part of the game...it's sort of a pyramid scheme, again, I'll ask. How much of your dollar goes to help people in need and how much goes to make your church extremely rich.

Your the one who's blind.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I don't have exact numbers either, but look at it since the turn of the century. How many people have been killed by western soldiers? I'd say equal to any number killed since world war 2 over a decade and a half span. Look at the streets of North America? Maybe I'm off but I haven't heard of any kind of a drop in violent crimes. I agree the world would be a better place without most of the religious conservatism, but to say racism and violence will see a massive drop is foolish IMO.

That's because it doesn't make for an exciting news story. I just did some research, and it appears that the murder rate in the US is lower now than it has been at any time in the past century.

The national homicide rate for 2011 was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens — less than half of what it was in the early years of the Great Depression, when it peaked before falling precipitously before World War II. The peak in modern times of 10.2 was in 1980, as recorded by national criminal statistics.


“We’re at as low a place as we’ve been in the past 100 years,” says Randolph Roth, professor of history at Ohio State University and author of this year’s “American Homicide,” a landmark study of the history of killing in the United States. “The rate oscillates between about 5 and 9 [per 100,000], sometimes a little higher or lower, and we’re right at the bottom end of that oscillation.”

I don't think that has anything to do with religion, but I do find it interesting.