02-04-2022, 01:02 PM
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#3361
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Originally Posted by rubecube
It's not that the owners are necessarily explicitly racist (except Cal McNair), but that there's systemic discrimination as a result of the OBC in the NFL. There was a dude on either ESPN or NFL Network that was a big math nerd and he stated that random chance would generate far more black coaches in the NFL than we've seen.
I'm definitely not doing a good job of explaining it, so I'll try to dig up the video.
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https://twitter.com/ringernfl/status...gKhUcCi3J-UXLQ
I was watching this video the other day from riding coach. This isn't meant to pick on Shanahan or McVey who are both clearly competent coaches, but listen to the way they describe how they (and Lafleur) got their chances.
Granfather, Father, calls, connections. I think this is what Rube is saying. There's an old boys club, that's largely made up of white people and generations of white people. The Rooney Rule is meant to force teams to look outside of that club and interview black candidates. Rooney himself said that they weren't even really looking at Tomlin but he blew them away in the interview.
Flores is a good coach. He deserves better than this and he's probably going to get blackballed for the lawsuit but unless people unearth this, the league will continue overlooking minority candidates.
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02-04-2022, 01:11 PM
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#3362
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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02-04-2022, 02:12 PM
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#3363
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
It's not that the owners are necessarily explicitly racist (except Cal McNair), but that there's systemic discrimination as a result of the OBC in the NFL. There was a dude on either ESPN or NFL Network that was a big math nerd and he stated that random chance would generate far more black coaches in the NFL than we've seen.
I'm definitely not doing a good job of explaining it, so I'll try to dig up the video.
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I agree with this.
I'm curious though. Cal McNair is not qualified to run a business and his lack of intellect is widely known around town. But how did you conclude he was the one explicit racist out of all NFL owners?
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02-04-2022, 02:19 PM
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#3364
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I agree with this.
I'm curious though. Cal McNair is not qualified to run a business and his lack of intellect is widely known around town. But how did you conclude he was the one explicit racist out of all NFL owners?
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https://www.thestate.com/sports/nfl/...181508331.html
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02-04-2022, 02:33 PM
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#3365
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KelVarnsen
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That's not Cal McNair.
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02-04-2022, 02:43 PM
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#3366
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I agree with this.
I'm curious though. Cal McNair is not qualified to run a business and his lack of intellect is widely known around town. But how did you conclude he was the one explicit racist out of all NFL owners?
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You're right. It was his dad.
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02-04-2022, 03:56 PM
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#3369
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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This is just Bill Belicheck going
"I CAN MAKE ANYBODY A GOOD COACH!"
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02-04-2022, 04:03 PM
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#3370
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Originally Posted by rubecube
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Peyton Manning should be allowed to garnish 75% of Gase’s paycheques for life
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02-04-2022, 04:04 PM
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#3371
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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If Gase gets three HC jobs then the GOAT debate is over, Peyton comes from behind to steal it.
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02-04-2022, 04:04 PM
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#3372
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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remember when people thought Adam Gase was a QB whisperer? Lol.
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02-04-2022, 04:18 PM
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#3373
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by devo22
remember when people thought Adam Gase was a QB whisperer? Lol.
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He was - Gase would try and say something in a meeting, Peyton would go “shut the #### up, Adam”, Gase would whisper “sorry, Sheriff” and not be heard from the rest of the day.
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02-04-2022, 04:45 PM
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#3374
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KelVarnsen
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I'm not labeling someone a racist from that.
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02-05-2022, 01:42 AM
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#3375
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I'm not labeling someone a racist from that.
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I think it would be a far greater shock if Bob McNair’s son wasn’t racist.
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02-05-2022, 08:38 AM
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#3376
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
I think it would be a far greater shock if Bob McNair’s son wasn’t racist.
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That’s a pretty heavy accusation.
Here is a relatively balanced article by a writer I really respect. You can apply whatever labels you like though and you may even be right. I don’t really know.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/tex...t-13420596.php
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02-06-2022, 08:23 AM
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#3377
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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NFL Talk
@NFL_Talk_Sports
According to a league source, the Packers will be hiring former Raiders coach Rich Bisaccia as their new special teams coordinator.
Deal is not finalized but is expected to be done.
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02-06-2022, 09:08 PM
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#3378
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Looks like Texans moving towards Lovie Smith now. McCown told he is out apparently.
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02-06-2022, 09:28 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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Late to the punch here. But I feel like Flores is taking things out on Miami. 100 percent there is an issue within the NFL in regards to the lack of Black coaches. But the problem here isn't that he was racially discriminated against in the Giants selection or in Miami. It's the Rooney rule, which personally I think does more harm than good as it tokenizes Black coaches. If the Giants had their heart set on a guy, they still have to interview a black coach due to the rule. And it's such bull#### that a guy like Flores has to interview for a job he's not going to get due to this. Now in regards to the paying to lose stuff. That's legit. And I hope the league really looks into that (but I doubt it). In regards to the Giants though I don't see what they did wrong. If the guy they wanted is white they have to throw a token interview in. It's not up to them.
Now what makes things hard is that I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully throughout the upcoming years as some of these dinosaurs retire and old crusty owners die-off we get some new blood in with fresh perspectives. But what I do know is I think the Rooney rule does more harm than good and it shows in the results when the number of black coaches has gone down since it was implemented. When during that time the social viewpoints in society as a whole have progressed a lot since then. Things are broken. But it's a complicated way to fix it.
Last edited by Patek23; 02-06-2022 at 09:31 PM.
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02-06-2022, 09:29 PM
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#3380
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Saints running back Alvin Kamara has been arrested in Las Vegas, following Sunday’s Pro Bowl.
The Las Vegas Police Department has announced that Kamara was taken into custody after a person at a local hospital alleged that the person had been battered at a night club in South Las Vegas.
The incident allegedly happened on Saturday. The victim identified Kamara as the assailant.
Kamara was booked for battery resulting in substantial bodily harm. Beyond any potential criminal penalties, Kamara will face potential discipline from the NFL under the Personal Conduct Policy.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...l-bodily-harm/
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